The Quest is called The Armor’s Secrets and is part of the Iron Colossus Questline.
This is the massive structure they were building out of Saronite!
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I guess he speaks about the wells of life and not the well of eternity
The impression I get is that the Dragon Isles were probably the location of a “pooling” of Azeroth’s blood where life began proliferating like crazy like Sholazar, Un’goro or the Vale of Eternal Blossoms were, and its northern proximity to Yogg-saron’s sprawling tendrils of influence allowed the Old God’s presence to taint the waters, resulting in Galakrond’s corruption when he drank from them.
That said, Tyr come across here like a completely different character from the Tyr we saw in Dawn of the Aspects, almost more like a robot than a real person, and it feels like it’s skewing into some of the playerbase’s “Titans are really just a bunch of evil Order fascists” headcanons that some players like to bandy about while ignoring the evidence to the contrary.
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no king rules forever
only a queen
sylvanas will return after timeskip to finish the job
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I linked it already.
If this is really saying that Yogg was behind Galakrond, and not just saying “we don’t want Yogg to do something like Galakrond”, then that is incredibly stupid. Just for once in this god damn game can we have a villain that isn’t connected to some suuuuuper eeeeevil cosmic forces mastermind? Galakrond just being a freak mutation from decay magic was a much better idea because it meant he was an antagonist on his own merits, and it really seemed like that was what they were going for with the gnolls using decay in DF. Now the gnoll storyline feels like a total non-sequitor.
I’m also really not a fan of Tyr being all anti-free will. Or the titans in general apparently. That really goes against previous portrayals of them calling Azerothians their children all nurturingly, and Tyr in particular was an extreme bro in Dawn of the Aspects. But why should I be surprised that nobody at Blizzard has actually read their own books?
And lastly, I’m miffed they’re still doing this cosmic forces crap by insisting on calling it “Order magic” instead of just arcane. There were nonstop complaints about all of this during Shadowlands, but who would Blizzard be if they didn’t just constantly double down on things fans dislike? That’s their modus operandi in both gameplay and lore.
Blizzard changing things at the drop of a hat because of baseless fandom headcanons is also one of their modus operandi.
Like Mueh’zala, who was set up in Traveler to be completely different from how he ended up in SL, but fans who hadn’t even read Traveler wouldn’t stop making crazy baseless theories about him.
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The Titans were already Order Fascists. If you didn’t get that from Algalon’s apathy while saying how the Maker’s purged entire worlds in flame aka, re-origination.
That’s on you.
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Holy crap. Unfiltered yogg-saron bath water made galakrond!
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There are pools of life in the dragon isles, tyrr propably refer to them
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Or probably the Hour of Twilight. I doubt Blizzard was thinking that far ahead. As Loken and Yogg’s cryptic hints about the ‘future’ in Wrath most likely refer to the Hour of Twilight.
One Yven was bad enough, but now we got another one. This is getting out of hand. Now there are two of them.
I don’t read it that way. Just some saronite most likely leaked out and Galakrond just happened to drink it. When Yogg wants something to happen intentionally, he ensures it happens intentionally. Such as Loken killing Sif in a fit of rage. That allowed him to blackmail the fallen keeper to do his bidding. Such as creating and spreading the curse of flesh.
I would say what happened to Mueh’zala was due to Blizzard changing plans on Bwonsamdi thanks to the massive positive reception Bwonsamdi got in BFA. They changed Daddy D’s fate simply because of the voice actors performance after all.
Are you presenting your own headcanon as canonical lore? Sounds like you are.
I would like a source on this. Because I just checked ALL the quests from that chain and nothing like that is mentioned. In fact ICC as we know it didn’t exist until Arthas became the Lich King. Tell me. Where was ICC at the end of WC3: The Frozen Throne? I just rewatched that cinematic and I saw no towering citadel made out of saronite. Just a glacier that was beginning to come apart as Arthas climbed up those icy steps and put the Helm of Domination on his head. Icecrown Glacier, the location that Ner’zhul crashed into was ancient. But the citadel made from saronite came much later. ICC is made out of saronite though. That was established in the alliance wrathgate chain. Where Bolvar mentions that the strange ore you found in Wintergarde mine is the same material used in creating ICC, which includes the Wrathgate.
The Nathrezim didn’t have a part in building Icecrown Citadel. At least not the one made out of saronite. Since we don’t see the saronite one at the end of the Frozen Throne expansion. WC3 was the first source of an Icecrown Citadel (via the manual), but that was destroyed when Arthas merged with Ner’zhul. As seen here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUDhlJC2Ig4 (ending cinematic of WC3: TFT)
Which makes the whole forge of souls thing weird. Because that was built when Arthas was the Lich King and it was designed to grind souls to fuel the scourge war machine. Like the soul forges the Legion used. It was Blizzard doing a "look at this thing, ‘member that?’ moment when they used it for Shadowlands.
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The Nathrazim building ICC is a flimsy wowpedia theory. One based solely on the idea that ICC is made out of black stone similar to fortresses on Nathreza. This is speculation made lore by popular acceptance, the truth is the lore was always speculative around this topic. The speculation that Yogg-Saron built it using the corrupted Titan watchers and the Scourge has always been one of those speculative options. There’s just as much lore to back up my speculation than there is to support that the Nathrazim built it, and as far as I can tell, all roads lead to Rome - it was built as a gateway to the Shadowlands.
Are you all forgetting the crumbs of lore Shadowlands gave us so soon? In an ancient war on the Shadowlands. The Void attacked Bastion. That “Darkness” as the Kyrian’s described it that attacked, was confined in the Maw.
Blizzard has a bad habit of setting up lore and just abandoning that lore for years. When that lore is finally revisited and clarified, if it goes against the popularly accepted speculation than it’s considered “retcons.” This game doesn’t have that many retcons. The players just like to accept popular fantheories from Wowpedia as absolute fact.
Wowpedia bases a lot of it’s “canon” on speculative theory, wowpedia is subject to change it’s lore as it’s presented in game.
The Nathrazim are not native to Nathreza, we now know they are native to Revendreth. For all we know, they could have been importing saronite to build their fortresses on Nathreza, and that explains the similarity to ICC. Or Alternatively, there’s Black Temple lore, which could explain why the fortresses in Nathreza are black. Black Temple is black because it was blasted with in intense beam of Light. Black Temple was attacked by the Light. The Light also attacked Revendreth. I would bet actual money, Nathreza was also attacked by the Light. We have very limited information on the Light’s war on Denathrius, but I speculate this is part of it.
You see a whole bunch of disconnected canon pieces that don’t go together. I see a full circle of interconnected lore webs that converge on eachother like real plot threads. Maybe being “another Yven” isn’t a bad thing, I quite enjoy the way his brain works and how he’s able to memorize large amounts of canon across many different franchises and he sees the similarities between WoW and the other franchises WoW cleary takes inspiration from.
Chronicle Volume 3, Page 18.
“The Dreadlords had constructed an impenetrable fortress called Icecrown Citadel.”
Now as to the saronite, that was probably a recon and one that actually makes more sense in light of Shadowlands with the Forge of Souls trying to siphon Azeroth’s world soul into the Sepulcher of the First Ones.
Though the contradiction between the citadel depictions are noticed in the trivia section on the Icecrown Citadel page.
A majority of sources, including the Warcraft III game manual and World of Warcraft: Chronicle Volume 3 , state that the Citadel was built around the spire long before Arthas and Ner’zhul merged together. However, the Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne finale cinematic depicted the icy spire of Icecrown as naked under a dome of ice with no other structure around it except a gate (and possibly the walled obelisk plaza). Road to Damnation describes the Citadel’s spire differently than what is seen in the game; with a path from the citadel downward through a series of halls and rooms, eventually reaching a huge cavern deep beneath the earth. In the center was the spire with the Frozen Throne. Also, the official 
[Shadowmourne] preview blog post stated that it was constructed after by stating that Frostmourne’s likeness has even found its way into the architecture of Icecrown Citadel.[14] Then the Ultimate Visual Guide and its updated version too stated that the Citadel was constructed after Arthas became the Lich King.[15][16]
Outside of a recon/edit war over or miscommunication what actually happened between Blizzard staff, the best guess is that:
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- It is possible that there were two Citadels, one underground made of ice and one above ground made of Saronite. With this view, the main contradiction is the depiction seen in “Fate”, which shows it already the modern version.
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That’s a weird take away, considering Tyr is the person writing the report and he clearly says, “I disagree with Prime Designate Odyn.” So clearly he doesn’t mind when he has free will. I feel like he’s basically saying, “Oh man, these Roombas are having thoughts and feelings of their own. They’re not supposed to do that,” rather than, “This Stony Tony guy isn’t supposed to have thoughts and feelings!”
As yes, Stony Tony is a roomba in my analogy.
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You’re missing context. Odyn is the one who disagreed with the Titans about the Dragon Aspects being able to defend Azeroth. Tyr disagrees with him, but it’s not like he can do anything about it.
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That’s what I took out of it too honestly. That Tyr was just commenting on how the other stone constructs started acting weird and out of the ordinary.
Of course, Tyr had little indication that it was just the beginnings of the Curse of Flesh taking hold
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It doesn’t seem to be the Curse Of Flesh since they remained stone constructs. They’d have become flesh creatures instead of crumbling apart.
From what I remember, it took several generations for the Curse to turn them completely fleshy and since this was just after Galakarond, it will still be a very long time before the Curse of Flesh finishes what it started.
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I read it as the original one is the one we see in the final undead mission of WC3: TFT and the interior is what we see in the cinematic afterwards. This one collapses as Arthas puts on the helm as seen in the cinematic. After Arthas removes Ner’zhul from the equation, the scourge begin construction of the saronite ICC. As to how the forge of souls fits into this /shrug. Like I said, it honestly felt like Blizzard did it at the last minute to further connect the Lich King and Zovaal together. Considering that the forge of souls was just to grind souls into a fine powder for the scourge war machine. Much like the Legions soul forges.
Even more so since the curse didn’t happen until after the stuff with Galakarond. As Yogg didn’t make his move to manipulate Loken until Odyn ran off in a hissy fit over the creation of the Dragon Aspects.
So the WC3 manual (you know, the manual for the game that introduced the Lich King alongside the Nathrazim), the in game war of the spider book (which is just a copy and paste from the WC3 manual) and Chronicles vol 3 are all part of a flimsy wowpedia conspiracy to ruin your headcanon?
So you are saying that YOUR HEADCANON has more support than direct quotes from canonical lore sources? One of which is the manual for the very game that introduced the Lich King?
Please, prove to us how your headcanon has more support than direct quotes that state that the Nathrazim built Icecrown Citadel (at least the one we see in WC3: TFT final undead mission).
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I don’t have access to any of that out of game material so I wouldn’t know. I have Chronicles and that’s about it.
When you shame someone for not knowing every single detail of out of game lore, you kind of come across as an elitist. It’s okay not to know everything, I don’t ever claim to know everything. I just got excited about this one thing I saw while playing through Storm Peaks. Chill.
Sometimes I feel arguing and hypothesizing this new lore is like getting blood from a stone.
Sure, it’s fun to think about, but clearly the writers are going to mold and shape old lore - much as they did in Shadowlands - to fit a new narrative. Here they are reshaping the titans and ‘Order Magic’ to fit their new direction.
Not saying this is bad or good, just saying that these guys are writing from the seat of their pants and it is kind of a fool’s errand to try and piece together logic and should, well, just be a long for the ride at this point.
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