That sounds accurate. 
Didn’t play this expansion due to dragonriding and likely will not be buying the next three expansions for the same reason, but I am almost glad that I sat this one out. It sure seems like a lot of disappointment, and anger toward Blizzard on almost every system and most of the story.
Is it really that bad? I only have my impressions from the first couple of weeks that I played before I quit. I was so overwhelmingly frustrated with trying to play on the DF maps without flying, with the complexity of the profession systems changes, and the diablo based UI changes that I just stopped playing and missed the story.
Oh well, hope the management team gets its act together soon, Microsoft has shown in the past that it is perfectly willing to shut down under-performing studios. I wonder which is making Microsoft more money, ESO or WoW?
Thrall is tainted goods. We need a new face. One that isn’t best buddies with the Alliance.
Ah yes, because that’s what the Horde needs, another needlessly standoffish and xenophobic maniac. Thrall keeps trying to leave but the Horde keeps dragging him back because gods forbid the faction ever move forward in any appreciable way that’s positive for themselves and Azeroth. Nope, let’s just regress to 2004 and cross fingers that we don’t get another Garrosh!
I’d love for the rest of the Old Guard to be able to retire and for fresh blood to come into the Council, but between Thrall being the only Orc capable of any amount of self-control and people trying to drag Vol’jin back into the seat he died in, there’s not going to be any chance for new faces to rise within the Horde.
Man, don’t. Just don’t. You were screaming to high heaven in the other thread about how sad you are this isn’t world of Peacecraft. I’m pretty sure that whatever you think the Horde needs, the Horde does not need.
Yet here you are whining about ‘hurp murp muh Horde ain’t bein edgy and aggressive when we burning Stormwind’ when that record’s been long since played out.
I said no such thing. I just said we need a leader who is not best buddies with the Alliance leaders. How you got all that from what I said, is beyond me.
Wanting ‘a leader who is not best buddies with the Alliance’ infers you want a leader that is opposed to the Alliance.
Should I go over what happened the last two times we took that as a policy?
I don’t need to infer a damned thing. All leaders should be opposed to the Alliance since the Horde and the Alliance are still in conflict since there’s no peace treaty or any other truce outside the Dragon Isles.
Per WoWpedia:
’ In the aftermath of the end of the Fourth War and the defeat of N’Zoth, various leaders of the Horde gathered together at the Orgrimmar Embassy where they received the terms for an armistice from the Grand Alliance, putting the Fourth War on hold indefinitely, if not permanently.
We are, right now, in a state of peace. Have been since before we set foot in the Dragon Isles.
We are right now in a state of conflict. Just not open war. Cause if we were in a state of peace there’d be no need for a truce in the Dragon Isles. Go listen to the Dragon Isles intro quests on both sides. Does that sound like two factions at peace?
sylvanas and garrosh made the horde strong in terms of millitary the “civil wars” only weakened them.
You mean the one where the Aspects are wary of past hostilities from two military factions very well-known for letting old rivalries get way out of control and coming off a world war some scant few years ago (remember, these are Dragons, so years are seconds to them) flaring up in their home nation and not wanting a repeat of MoP on their soil?
That wasn’t tension between the factions. That was tension between the Dragonflights and both factions. The edict wasn’t from the Alliance; it came from the Aspects and would be enforced by the Aspects.
At the cost of its soul, which the sane members of the Horde weren’t willing to surrender to their madness.
Nah, I like the council. Horde war Chiefs always get hit with the cartoon villain bat.
Look, I’m not gonna play your little game where you take the stuff that’s happening mash it up with your headcanon and make it sound like it’s not really happening. If all was dandy and everyone was at peace, why even bring up conflict or a truce? Because the factions are still in conflict like they have always been. Simple.
It’s entirely reasonable for an outside entity, particularly a long-lived entity, to look at two other groups known for looking for any reason they could find to scrap with one another, and warn them off any such potential courses of action. I know it’s inconvenient to your war zeal, but we are at peace and have been since BFA. We literally agreed to peace.
Right, of course, it can be anything EXCEPT that the two factions are in conflict still. Of course, yeah.
And where did we agree to PEACE. Not the end of the 4th War, but PEACE. Where?
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no not at the cost of its soul, the civil war questlines should never have happened the first one only angered long term players who loved garrosh and they either left or stayed but were not happpy same when it came to sylvanas. based on the recent info about subscribers during that time horde playerbase went into a gutter you may not like those characters but millions did. the soul of the horde didnt get hurt or die nor were the horde leaders rational nor will the characters who attacked the horde sane they only alienated the horde as a whole in the long term.
If two people got into a fistfight in front of you yesterday, and the next day you found them at the same bus stop about to ride on your bus, you’d be entirely in the right to say ‘you two need to leave any grievances you have at the door’ based on their past activity.