Yes so much. On the level of being mad about having to play Horde for Tauren, lol.
Nah it’d be awesome. And why would it matter to you when you left?
And has very little development even in the Troll quest line. His presence isn’t really fleshed out.
For a moment until the Horde rose up against Garrosh, but that’s not what I mean. I mean his gumption and attitude.
Where did they say this?
Belmont probably. Would be better than that Alliance plant.
I mean the last time we had a big name character that wasn’t a villain was probably Cataclysm, with Thrall.
Aside from Thrall though – If we’re talking about Horde heroes in comparison to Alliance heroes and measuring all their feats? … Well, Horde is embarrassingly lacking at this point in time 
I’m da Horde leader!
All hail the Death Knight leader! This time I promise to choose unholy if I have to fight Sylvanas Redux
Correct. It’s almost like faction allegiance is, indeed, a stupid and forced construct that takes away more than it adds to the game.
Real sure the Troll pantheon would be thrilled at the notion that they’re subservient to the Horde. Especially since Horde made skeletons of Troll empires as readily as the Alliance did.
The guy’s personality is basic and straightforward. ‘I’m a reliable soldier and level-headed individual’. He’s a troll-shaped dial tone.
Goodness forbid that the guy soften up a bit as time moved on. Then again, I guess you’re allergic to character development.
Belmont’s in no position to lead the Forsaken. If it wasn’t Calia, it was always going to be Voss.
I mean, yeah. No debate here, but I don’t really know how to address it. Talanji’s a potent priestess, so she could probably start pulling the Horde back toward the performance metrics, but simply put they need more magical proficiency amongst their leaders. Should Alliance leadership catch a nerf? Probably wouldn’t hurt things, but Alliance has a Human problem.
One side-effect of the revolving door has meant that, by necessity, the other races of the Horde have been shoved into the spotlight by force. The Alliance’s spotlight never needs to leave Humanity unless Tyrande decides she wants to go be an idiot during some diplomatic efforts or Malfurion needs to lose to some zombie archer.
When everyone’s the leader… no one is.
Nah I’m fine with my faction of choice.
That wouldn’t mean they have to be subservient to the Horde. Just the Loa of Kings and that’s if they even go through with that. They’ll probably forget they even wrote that by the time they get around to it.
Which is why he needs more development. Fully rounded characters don’t need that.
I just want some spunk. That has nothing to do with development. He can still be with Thalyssra and have that.
He absolutely is, he cares about the Forsaken.
Calia is the one giving away territories and caring more about the Alliance.
Eh, a Naaru would probably be a better leader than a Human.
It’s a great energy source if anything. 
B…Based?
B…Based?
I think the Horde could still benefit from having a Warchief.
Its too heavily ingrained in their history not to have one, just instead of it overseeing the entire logistics of the Horde, simply have the Warchief sit at a seat on the council whose job it is to keep the military in top shape etc.
Perhaps even have a new rank of Battlechiefs who represent each of the factions to oversee matters in warfare, freeing the council to do whatever pointless politicking is needed.
It’s a council now no more warchief
Which is why we have no identity. Add to that why do the writers keep corrupting Horde leaders while they leave the Alliance alone.
It really ticks me off we lost some many Horde leaders while the Alliance keeps being the “good guys”. Let’s see the Alliance lose five leaders or give us a good solid leader.
I think the disconnect for a lot of people is sure, the Alliance has seen it’s main leader changed just as many times as the Horde in the span of it’s history.
But the only Racial Leaders the Alliance has had lead them are Varian and Anduin. With only Varian dyeing.
Meanwhile Warchiefs were always the defacto leader of their respective race.
Even Garosh became the new Orc Leader when Thrall stepped down.
And they’ve had 3 racial leaders bite the bullet as Warchief.
As opposed to the Alliance’s One.
I suppose it’d be like if Malfurion took over when Anduin left and then Malfurion died.
Then again the Alliance is weird because despite mainly listening to the Human Monarchy, each race kinda does thier own thing.
But like I can see the disconnect.
and they BETTER leave Lor’themar alive and well by the end of Midnight.
Make Azeroth Great Again!
He’ll build a wall around Thunderbluff and make the Tauren pay for it!
Just put Thrall back in charge.
A Horde without a warchief is no horde.
He doesn’t want it and shouldn’t be forced into it, and with very good reason.
GoT Season 8 trauma triggered
He may have a change of heart.
Again, forcibly undoing all of Thrall’s development just to relentlessly cling to the past is a terrible idea. Gods forbid the Horde try a new approach to address a seemingly chronic problem.
I want him back but i can see your point
Again, if the Horde just has to have a Warchief, then it can exist as a ‘Supreme General’ kind of position. But just tossing Thrall back on the throne and screaming ‘NOW UNDO CATA’ is lame storytelling. He’s still the de-facto leader of the Orcs and is, by his own oath, going to be involved in the Horde’s protection until his dying days. Basically declaring the Horde is more important than his own family.
EDIT: Part of why I’m so girded for this is because this is the first legitimate breath of fresh air the Horde has had since 2004 itself when Thrall made the WC2 Horde but nicer. It’s intriguing that the non-human, non-Alliance races are the ones pursuing this advanced form of government instead of regressing back to the unga-bunga Warchief days. It also helps to square the paradox of otherwise intensely-independent leaders and groups bewilderingly pledging to a higher and absolute authority. The Blood Elves are simultaneously haughty, narcissistic, and dismissive of primitive methodology yet they’re entirely cool with being second-fiddle to the Orcs and shut up the moment Thrall/Garrosh decides they want to speak? Does not compute. On the Council, however, Lor’themar can actually fight and vote for BE interests rather than having to play ‘Daddy May I’ with an absolute dictator. Same thing with the Tauren, who I’m sure have more than a few grievances with their treatment over the past few expansions at the hands of their ‘allies’.
It also allows for more interesting intra-faction dynamics. It opens up storylines for leaders to be compromised without necessarily compromising the entire Horde, or to act rashly without necessarily bringing the entire Horde into the picture or making the entire Horde admonish an individual. It provides a clear path for other characters to rise to power when the Old Guard decides they want to take a break or settle down out of the spotlight. Or, worst case scenario, they get killed. Losing a Warchief, whether through resignation or death, means the entire Horde has to spend a patch group wondering ‘but who will lead us now’ and navel-gaze for a while before basically spinning a bottle and praying for the best. With a Council, if Thrall suddenly keeled over, he doesn’t crater the entire Horde government with him and action can be taken much more swiftly to get the Horde back on the road to recovery. Sure, his replacement might be a bit more volatile, but that volatility would be held in check by the rest of the Horde.
The Council can keep each other in check, but the Horde cannot keep a Warchief in check, essentially. So a Warchief has only two routes open to them: Being a boring perfect paragon that constantly keeps rage in check, never overreacts, and always dispenses an even-handed approach to every situation that approaches the Horde, or eventually descending into chaos by driving the Horde into fatal mistakes and emotional outbursts. A Warchief can only ever be a Thrall or a Garrosh. We talk about how Sylvanas was Garrosh 2.0, but Vol’jin was Thrall 2.0. Both are boring.