because it goes against one of the core values of the game which is reliving the vintage feel, i don’t think they should be encouraging people to do this even if it’s optional, it’s the same reason i wouldn’t want a vaporwave toggle to turn everything into neon pink + blue, although simply an option, it would go against one of the core aspects the developers are trying to make the players experience and i don’t think they should be encouraging it
Funny you should say that, there actually is an option in Classic that lets you turn everything into different colors. It’s called colorblind mode.
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I think newer graphics have no negative effects on the game at all. It’s still the same game and if people want the old graphics they can turn down their settings. That being said the way the game looks doesn’t matter at all. It could look like Warcraft: Orcs and Humans or TES: Arena for all I care. Gameplay is more important.
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This is so false. I’m sorry but I can’t take this as an argument.
There are options for colorblind people. I am 100% sure they will insert it in CLassic mode and you will not be against it. And why? It wasn’t in Vanilla, so Vanilla-colorblind people were “suffering” cause of absent of this feature. SO you will be stuk inbetween two arguments: Make people who are colorblind experience this game properly, OR just give YOU PERSONALLY that VANILLA™ that you crave but other people will suffer cause of you. Which is right answer here? Ofc first one, cause you wouldn’t want to pass for “egoistic garbage human who doesn’t care about minorities who truly suffer”. SO why toggle of “new” models and animations is different?
You think “buh this guy and other like him just want something DIFFERENT, but I WANT EXACT THIS, so they ARE WRONG, AND I’M RIGHT” Your and similar people to you sound like this.
Cause not this, no other argument is valid enough to explain why I shouldn’t get something that will be just THERE and you will never experience, see, feel or think about EVER in your playthrough of this game.
Yes! Exactly! I hope people will understand this. Especially when blizzards can give this as toggleable option for those of us who still want to play classic but ONLY with newer graphics.
colorblind mode is ok because it’s to help people with a particular disability see the game as it was intended, a toggle for new graphics/models encourages people to detract from the particular experience the developers wanted, which is to play the game just like it was back in 2004, new incoming players who don’t know any better may be lead to opt in to the new models thinking newer = better by default, detracting from their experience, retail/modern players may be tempted to use the newer models since it’s what they like/are used to, but it would also detract from that intended experience, i compared it to a vaporwave toggle because although i’m sure there are those that enjoy vaporwave, such a design is futuristic and unfitting in a fantasy setting, against what the developers wanted, in the context of the game having no toggle prevents tempting people from detracting from how the developers intend you to feel, like you’re playing the game as it was in 2004, the old models + graphics i feel are a part of that
if you mean graphics as in computer setting (resolution, shadow quality, so forth) that’s something different, but i’m talking about having the same number of polygons on things as well as the old models
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Colorblind people can see colors of the vanilla as they were seeing them before 15 years ago. This is the same. What if they will go to Vanilla and experience NEW VANILLA WITH NEW COLORS? This is exactly the same. They aren’t disabled they just see colors differently. They “suffer” in our minds cause WE — not color blind people, think they are, cause we know how colors are by their default and color blind people don’t, but they used to it cause they don’t know better. The same goes for people who can’t stand old stuff. I can live with old models, but psychologically I am suffering every time I see old textures ultra low poly trees of an old content.
They can make OLD graphics default. and new players will see CLassic at it should be. And if someone wants raise the stakes and get new graphics, then it’s their right and choice. You have nothing to do with it, cause you will not see it and you will not even know it.
Also this sentence is SUPER egoistic. Who are you to telling people what is better and what is not? Are you some kind of mega art critic of this planet who creates a rules for other people or what?
Again. it is not your concern what people could or couldn’t do with their game they are playing and paying for. Stop talking for everyone. IT’s incredibly egoistic and preposterous.
I love chocolate ice cream but I will never push the narrative that all people MUST ditch other flavors in favor of chocolate cause I know that people have different tastes and its PERFECTLY OKAY.
You do understand that I sounds like a dictator/radical preacher do you?
“I know that people will be distracted from RIGHT PATH by new life out there with freedom of choices, so we shouldn’t give humans choices”. THis is the exact representation of your words. You think something is good so you pushing it to other people. even 100% knowing that YOU PERSONALLY will not lose anything from it except knowing that you got what YOU personally want.
colorblind people can’t see colors in the way that they’re supposed to so that’s why i said it was a disability, i think there shouldn’t be a toggle because although it’s what some people may want, it’s against the developer’s vision of the game so there’s no reason to add it and contradict their own design philosophy, this vision is to provide the player as close to a strict replication of what it was like to play vanilla wow as possible, adding a toggle discourages this vision, even if it’s a matter of choice the old graphics + models are something i think the developers would want the player to actually experience
Developers making game for playerbase. Not for themselves only. This is not DnD game where DM can just make up rules and people playing it should just roll with it. We paying them to play this game. And by paying them for it I (and other people like me) want my toggle.
They see colors, but they are just messed up. They still experience visuals the same as us, they are just seeing them differently. Will you say that I have disability too that I don’t see “superiour” old graphics as you are? Why this is different?
We see on the same object and we see different by our brain. My brain tells me it’s ugly and unappealing. Your brain says that it superior and how it supposed to be. I know that my case is different from colorblind people by physical/psychological standpoint but anyway.
AGAIN. You are talking like one who THINK like a dictator (hitler if you like). You are deciding for people what will be discouraging for them or what not. I’m sure they will not be discouraged. And why am I wrong and you are right? Choices for personal use are peoples deals, not yours.
Then they make a statement. “We brought you new graphics that you can toggle, but we would REALLY LIKE TO YOU to experience this game as it was before”. ANd people will read it and will have a CHOICE.
THIS. IS. SIMPLE
i feel it is important + tempting enough to the point where it’s better they don’t include it
The toggle has never worked they way it’s supposed to on retail. People don’t want their characters to look different from how they created them. The new models and animations are awful. Most of the mobs, gear, and armor will still be a pixelated mess and it stands out against the new models.
And no, most of us won’t go back to retail after lvl30 because we don’t play retail to begin with.
I have the settings cranked to 11, running 144fps (average closer to 135 probably). I didn’t put a 2070 in to relive that part of wow. I want effects, I want smooth frames, I want it all. For those that want the old look there is a button for that in the options, and you can turn bloom off with a command. It looks great but more importantly it IS VANILLA. I am having a blast and everyone else will as well once they get on, whether that is beta, stress or launch. Ignore how others want to play or tell you to play, and play for you
The toggle worked perfectly fine for the entirety of WoD, until the Legion pre-patch removed the old skeletons.
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The character models are.
I have ALWAYS thought this, and yes even back in vanilla I noticed the awkward animations and all.
It is strange, but the player models (some more than others look at female Tauren) were always by far the weakest element. They looked bad in 2005, and my guess is the iteration after iteration of the player characters meant they didn’t have the time to spend making them up to usual Blizzard standards.
All of the models have issues to varying degrees. Humans have very awkward and in the case of females broken running animations. Just look closely and you’ll see that it almost looks like she has a broom glued to her back and head-- it’s just not right and I’m not talking about simple limitations of the time-- it’s actually broken.
This is why I really think and option for new models would be great, and they can use the WoD versions as they didn’t use all the fancy new swings and casts.
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Night Elf female was all I could play back then(with the horrible character look), so I’ll probably remake my Night Elf BM huntress.
The character was a Gnome female, because I thought they looked good enough in Wrath with the DK eyes and such; I was also pleased with the character model updates for both (as well as the Night Elf female “dark” look, both my original Vanilla Priestess and that Huntress did that.)
I am also wondering if it will run better on a computer like mine, since those older areas even currently run better (than insanely Low FPS BoreAllUs.)
Arguing about the old models is moot; Blizzard wanted to do it as “Classic Wow”, being Vanilla, as much as possible. So they never even saw it as a choice. One of the applications they had, for Classic Games, was actually for someone who could stuff the old models in there and get them working right.
So they don’t have a “toggle”, because Vanilla did not have a toggle to switch between old and new models.
You may as well ask why doesn’t Classic have LFG and LFR?
Let them do as they please. In the end most of us just want to play Classic.
“I never used it, thus it never worked for anyone”. Listen to yourself.
What people? Can you provide some evidence of what your saying is true? I heard a lot of people (not all but some quite big chunk) that they are
1 - not against toggle, cause they understand that it’s gameplay they want and they don’t care about visuals at all.
2 - they are against new graphics but not against giving it to others if they will not see it themselves.
3 - they are in favor of toggle, cause they UNDERSTAND that there are some people that want this game to play with updated graphics.
4 - they are in favor of toggle cause they want to play new graphic themselves.
AND HERE YOU ARE, talking for everybody like it’s you who creating rules who will do what. This is sickening, egoistic and absurd.
You FEEL that this is important, and I FELL that toggle is important. Who is right here? We have completely same % of rights to claim what we FEEL to be true. But you going against MY feels when I’m not going against yours.
I’m with you on that, but devs seem to listen mostly to “no-changers” and streamers.
Convince Asmongold or Omar to give many hints during stream about getting the toggle on/off new models and there’s a change that they do it. Otherwise they just don’t care or is way in the bottom of the lists to do.
These are garbage points OP. Not everyone had crap internet. Mine was quite good and I NEVER lagged in Vanilla, even during raids.
Not everyone suffered awful FPS, that must have been a YOU problem. The game ran on my old computer smooth as silk, even on max settings.
Get rid of databases? There was literally like 3-4 major websites with tons of information within months of launch…
If you going to make a BS argument, atleast use “some” facts. You have provided atleast 3 completely false points.
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The tide turned against the classic WoW ayatollahs.