It’s not an issue if you’re good at the game. At the key levels where this is happening frequently, they can be carried by a single player, playing well.
People will not leave a key if someone is putting them in a backpack and bringing them along for the ride.
There so’s much gaslighting around the issue and just the fact that blizzard is implementing a feature like this goes to show you why the community is up in arms.
Because there are a lot of leavers and they always use the least probable case to argue their point “WHAT IF DON’T WANT TO CARRY?”
Oh you mean the part where you pulled the whole room, died and then left?
Oh what about today in floodgate when a prot pally bubbled at the first pull and threat ate the whole party, then bailed because he was entirely embarrassed.
You guys had since LEGION to change your attitudes in Mythic + and you just made it worse lol. This is only going to effect the really anti social people, most people will be 100% fine!
Ya’ll need to reach a singular conclusion on whether or not people are leaving keys frequently, because from my end it looks like everyone is throwing every possible excuse at the wall to see if it sticks.
It 100% is.
Generally if a run is going somewhat smooth and it’s close it’s not an issue.
My cinderbrew has multiple issues with the tank over pulling and the healer struggling while we had a DH dps doing less damage than the tank.
It happens and I left because it wasn’t worth sticking around for an hour.
Let me clarify what is actually happening:
There is not some epidemic of individual players joining and leaving keys en-masse. Rather the “issue” is that there are a lot of singular instances of players leaving keys when they are are potentially timable, but unbelievably miserable to be in that the loot at the end is simply not worth it.
This “solution” does nothing positive. It won’t stop one off players from leaving keys when they are miserable experiences because the penalty won’t apply to them, and the infinitesimally small number of players that were actively griefing a large number of keys by leaving them early have already had their accounts actioned by Blizzard a few months ago.
What this does do is make people who stay in keys they might otherwise would have left that are entirely miserable experiences for fear that they might be flagged as a “leaver.” Are you really going to say in that +7 with 30 deaths before the 3rd boss? Right now, no you wouldn’t, but after this change you might, and that sucks.
+4 Priory. 11 deaths in two minutes. Could have easily been worse and this is a literal 4 key lol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCLWy07UcYk
Totally worth a watch it’s hilarious.
81 deaths by the end. 32 minutes over time lmfao.
In a +4.
Okay I’ll rephrase my argument to “this rarely happens” lol
Most people wanting a spent key to go on for a hour are not the people pulling their weight
The. You’re absurdly clueless. Leaving a bad key doesn’t mean that person is toxic.
People expecting free carries
People not pulling their weight
People holding people hostage
That is the toxicness.
Random dungeons don’t have anywhere close to a level of being failed
Or we can just not implement a stupid system because bad players got their feelings hurt.
Or they can just not implement a stupid system.
Personal experience and common sense.
Like you have shown to be pretty uneducated on the subject.
Don’t not understand that this system will make groups even stricter on who they invite?
Your lack of knowledge is super apparent.
Check out that guy’s youtube channel and you’ll find that it isn’t as rare as you might think.
You might be surprised. There are some actual mutants in low keys.
It wasn’t even spent dude, it was the first pull. Like I wasn’t even mad he wiped … but he didn’t even try to redeem himself.
You people want players to be perfect and its insane lol
Why is it insane to want people to play at an acceptable level in groups?
If right off the bat disaster strikes im not likely to see redemption in the next pull
Well then group up with the people in this forum … OH WAIT that involves socializing …
The Achilles heel
We’re doing doublespeak again. Which is it? Are people going to be too scared or will it largely not impact anyone’s decision to leave the group?
In the other thread that took off yesterday, I was explicitly told that people only leave keys because they aren’t timable, and not because they are “potentially timable but don’t want to put up with it anyways.”
If a key is potentially timable, you should be required to stick with it. I don’t care how miserable you are. That’s what you signed up to do. Don’t pug if it’s that much of a concern.
This is what I meant when I said everyone is throwing every excuse at the wall to see what sticks. There is no unified opinion here, and the lack of one makes it increasingly obvious how all of this is fearmongering.
“I saw enough of season 1 to know I wasn’t going to stick around for season 2”
This leaver debuff and surrender vote should only apply to keys listed as completion, problem solved.
Ive raided world 3rd. Ive sold carries and ive gotten elite.
Ive played since late classic and ive been part of a community that full pugged heroic raids pre mop.
Ive never had such a group of people that i can 100% drag people into casual content to level an alt when the fancy strikes me 24/7.
I don’t think you do either to be blunt
Two things can be true at the same time. This change won’t have any measurable punitive effects because people leave keys on one off cases. Very few people will actually be punished here when the do leave.
But players will think twice about leaving an otherwise miserable experience for fear, even if unfounded, that they might be punished.
I did not sign up to watch Billy LFR run it down mid for 35 deaths because they don’t know what active mitigation is. I value you my time and sanity.
The community and blizzard disagrees. We find that it’s ruining the experience.
Are these people in the room with us right now? Im sure they exist but I dont see that as a reason for you to unilaterally ruin groups. The solution is to find a consistent group if you’re dissatisfied with the subset of people below your standards. Or make your own groups.
Doesn’t matter. The attitude was the same and attaching a penalty to leavers fixed the issue. Trolling or hostage holding doesn’t exist to any meaningful extent.
Holding you accountable for your own actions seems like a good system. Sorry you’re a child and feel like you should be able to throw a tantrum without recourse.
Yeah, I’m in the top 10% of ratings, but am completely uneducated.
That’s their prerogative. Just like making ratings visible made people more selective, adding a social warning against bad actors lets people make informed decisions. Dont be a selfish jerk, it’s that easy.
Based on what? Your outlandish theories without any evidence?