New Customization Options for Blood Elves and Void Elves

[Hypêrspace-dalaran (Hypêrspace)]

and when you have such strong motifs, it sells itself. good advertisement for the game overall.

[Hypêrspace-dalaran (Hypêrspace)]

if we could get blizzard to add a couple new classes, some of the anxiety over belfs having too many class options, would be relieved. for example, faery magic as a class and necromancy as a class. they’d also make nice new specs for druids and locks, but if they could be fashioned into full blown classes, that’d help spread the love. also tinkerers as a class.

and demon hunters for everyone. tauren and gnome demon hunter, i mean, honestly, that is straight up classic wow irreverence, tongue in cheek style.

[Snowsong-fizzcrank]

@Drede-cairne

I haven’t.

Though I do openly dislike “Lightforged” races like Lightforged Undead/Humans. Dull concepts.

And yet covet them for the Void elves? Funny that it only seems interesting on the elves for your faction, but dull for ours? interesting.

@Drede-cairne

I’ve literally been compiling suggestions and adding suggestions of my own.

Yes, compiling a list that seems to suspiciously favor a certain thematic. It’s just amusing that you have such an open mind to possible requests that involve light themes for Void elves, (despite how irrational that would be)

but then act as some staunch resistance against equally reasonable requests like Farstrider tattoos, so much so that you would purposely enter a Blood elf request thread and say “No me first!”

@Drede-cairne

At least until Lenn actually convinced you that people actually wanted them.

I have no doubt that there are people who want them, but claiming that “elegant” or “pretty” themes are not also highly sought after, and requested, is just plain out false.

If the idea is to embrace all these requests, and themes, I would see little reason for you to openly mock other players requests, or suggest that they’re not satisfactory, especially if you don’t actually play that race yourself.

@Drede-cairne

And I never said that at all. Rediculas.

But you did, you attacked a player who merely suggested the idea because Lady Liadrin was depicted with gold eyes, and you kept telling them they were wrong, and then ended the conversation with something along the lines of “You’re fel tainted, deal with it!”

Imagine that, I go searching for how the players reacted to the gold eyes customization, and who’s there arguing up and down that it’s fanfiction, and never gonna happen? You. Not surprised in the least.

@Drede-cairne

Damn right I am.

Oh, I have no doubt you would be in favor of any cause that involved corrupting the Blood elves hun.

@Drede-cairne

The face that you keep calling the themes “tainted” says a lot.

The face I make is because you honestly think anyone buys this.

@Drede-cairne

You’re also discounting the fact that there ares separate San’layn/Dark Ranger/Scars For Blood Elves threads. And a Blood Elf request thread that list most of those things as well.

Yeah, the difference is they don’t only want dark themes for Blood elves, they want plenty of other themes that seem to never find a place on any of your lists. I’m curious, have you ever added braids to one of your belf lists?

@Drede-cairne

I find the concept of little angel wings as a customization option cringy. Not all light options. I just don’t like “Lightforged” as a concept. So sue me.

I will be impressed if you show me an instance where you supported light rune customization for Blood elves.

@Drede-cairne

Because there’s no such thing… Alleria has tattoos but that has nothing to do with rangers themselves.

There’s also no such thing as goth elves, and yet that is more rational, and believable than tattoos? Something that could easily be added and rationalized by the players? You see where your open mind for new customizations seem to suddenly close when it comes to themes you want for your elves?

@Drede-cairne

Void Elves have a small chance of getting them to mirror Alleria but I’m not holding my breath. I’ve actually removed it a few times but only keep it on

And you can’t see the amount of liberty you’d be taking with the lore to make that happen? But Farstrider Tattoos are the no-go zone? Now I could be wrong, but it sounds like this is the result of some heavy bias.

@Drede-cairne

I have. I just haven’t posted it.

Then you haven’t.

@Drede-cairne

It’s not like braids is a general concept that can be applied to all easily. Like… what would it do with a bald option?

It could easily be a feature exclusive to certain hairstyles. Or just in the form of new hairstyles.

@Drede-cairne

Otherwise they would just be a generic fantasy elf.

Gosh, the irony.

@Drede-cairne

I’m complaining because that it’s all they are doing. Just conventionally pretty stuff.

Nothing we got is pretty, in fact it was all rather lazy and tacky. If anything it should be like the Night elve’s last patch, where it includes both themes. Scars, braids, tattoos, runes, not this idea that “pretty” themes have had their run in the form of 3 hairstyles, 1 of which is a C&P of a male’s hairstyle, and the other can’t be used if you’re not wearing the right shade of gold or green.

[Selesnya-wyrmrest-accord (Selesnya)]

Precisely. Despite all the vitriol, it worked out for the best, the Alliance got one step closer to their High Elf fantasy while the Horde got their blue eyes for Blood Elves.

That’s not to say that neither Blood Elves or Void Elves don’t need more options, but adding the two aforementioned options was a step in the right direction and I no longer feel the need to jump down someones throat for disagreeing with me, even though I did on occasion in the past.

I’m also not trying to talk down to anyone either, I’m just trying to share my personal perspective.

But all in all Ranger tattoos are like at the top of virtually everyones list it would seem, aside from Drede, so I’m fairly confident that said option will likely be heavily considered if not implemented outright.

@Drede-cairne

I also don’t include Light Wings/Light Tendreals because I don’t see them making geosets for those.

O_o uwotmate???

@Isveria-moon-guard

I won’t lie, as much as I love customization and want Belfs to get a ton more stuff (San’layn, Dark Ranger, Farstrider tats, runic tats, arcane tats, etc.) this feels…excessive to me.

The idea that you can make a Belf and pick different magical wing options in character select just seems way too much to me. I feel like that drastically changes the feel, silhouette, and vibe of the race.

Which is a fair point. I mainly suggest it to flesh out and diversify the hypothetical option for Fel Blood Elf style wings, as just the FB wings would be 1-3 options at best otherwise, but I agree that it may seem busy with everything else I suggested.

@Isveria-moon-guard

That being said, I wouldn’t mind it if they added fiery phoenix/light wings as a back piece transmog for the heritage set, I feel like it could fit quite nicely. And with Shadowlands adding in new cool back pieces like wings, spikes, etc. I feel like it’d be fitting.

On that note, make the Velf wings a back piece Transmog slot please, since they didn’t get a cloak. It’s annoying having it tied to the chest piece.

This is also another great point and is admittedly much more likely than my suggestion.

I would also love to see more cosmetic options like this in the back slot as the majority of the cloaks are generally the same concept, which is quite frankly quite stale and boring. I’d love for them to provide just Void/Phoenix wings as a back option without the cape.

[Selesnya-wyrmrest-accord (Selesnya)]

@Renotarshil-malganis

Honestly just do away with factions and class/race restrictions.

No need for it anymore.

This is ultimately how I feel as well, but Blood Elf Druids, Night Elf Paladins and Void Elf Shamans are at the top of my list, so at the very least, I’d like those classes in that order.

[Hypêrspace-dalaran (Hypêrspace)]

i want access to leather armor types without having to be a rogue to get it. and currently, that means druids. velf druids are hard to support, even harder than belf druids, cause velfs are a bit on the spooky side and the last thing i think of when i think druid, is spooky. velfs may need their own redemption option or they will be frozen out of most classes that arent spooky also

[Snowsong-fizzcrank]

@Selesnya-wyrmrest-accord

Blood Elf Druids

If this ever happens, (which I highly doubt) I really hope it’s not true druidism, but rather their ability to bend nature with the power of the arcane in the same way High Botanist Freywinn does.

For some reason I really enjoy the idea of the mages interesting themselves in nature, using their magic acuity to weave Arcane and Nature magic together to attain the same results of genuine druids.

[Renotarshil-malganis (Renotarshil)]

Making Druid stuff different for every race is something I also hope for. I like when Blizzard gets creative.

[Velftroy-frostmourne]

@Hypêrspace-dalaran

decursed/cleansed/redeemed felblood elf wings in white/gold/gray/black options - feathery, soft and fluffy

Wings on character customization? I don’t if I’d like to see that, tbh. Really over the top and flashy stuff kind of feels cheap and a little odd to me.

[Selesnya-wyrmrest-accord (Selesnya)]

Indeed, I would love to see them more as Botanists myself as it would provide a new type pf Druid fantasy. There’s also a Botanist in the Nighthold amongst the Nightborne so there’s at least more than just Freywinn. There’s also the Arcan’dor which demonstrates Mages taking interest in Nature with results. This all being said though Nightborne seem to have more prevalence and I personally would welcome them receiving Druids just as well, especially since they are lacking in both classes and diversity.

[Hypêrspace-dalaran (Hypêrspace)]

they are rather small wings compared to demon hunter wings. and it doesnt need to be the full spread, just the ones that sprout from between the shoulder blades and go backwards. they only open up to each side while casting. i didst study them. hehe

[Elyssaria-kargath]

I am hoping at the July 9th reveal, we get some class race combos added.

[Hypêrspace-dalaran (Hypêrspace)]

nightborne druids with faldorei as their boomkin form.

[Velftroy-frostmourne]

I’m not gonna stop anyone from asking for it, but I’d personally rather it didn’t happen. How would an ordinary being live with a pair of wings on their back? You couldn’t really go to sleep normally anymore, sit on chairs, etc. Still, if you or anyone else want them, obviously keep asking for it to happen.

[Hypêrspace-dalaran (Hypêrspace)]

well the story goes, there’s some mad scientist in the darkmoon island event, who is creating felblood elves. these would rejoin their blood elven kin and add their unique features as customization options.

every race in the game is presumably gettting race adjacent customizations. for belfs, that means either san’layn, dark rangers, or felblood elves, as far as i know.

[Selesnya-wyrmrest-accord (Selesnya)]

I see the actual wings as a thing for Felbloods, who aren’t really going to be comfortable in any regard.

The energy ones I suggested I figured would be more of an aura, comprised of energy, though Isveria had a great suggestion of making it a transmog/appearance instead, which I’d also gladly accept.

@Elyssaria-kargath

I am hoping at the July 9th reveal, we get some class race combos added.

Goodness, I hope so, this would be amazing and would make the expansion for me tbh.

[Snowsong-fizzcrank]

Honestly, it’s a really interesting theme to add to Blood elves, especially given all the possibilities for their different forms. I often imagine their treeform to have runes etched along it’s branches, and the ends of it’s leaves to glow with arcane magic. The cat form would obviously be a Springpaw Lynx.

Who knows, maybe it will happen sometime.

[Drede-cairne (Drede)]

@Snowsong-fizzcrank

And yet covet them for the Void elves? Funny that it only seems interesting on the elves for your faction, but dull for ours? interesting.

What are you even talking about?

Both those where potential Alliance things and I never suggested Light Themes for Void Elves.

@Snowsong-fizzcrank

Yes, compiling a list that seems to suspiciously favor a certain thematic. It’s just amusing that you have such an open mind to possible requests that involve light themes for Void elves, (despite how irrational that would be)

Again… I never suggested a Light Theme for Void Elves…

@Snowsong-fizzcrank

but then act as some staunch resistance against equally reasonable requests like Farstrider tattoos, so much so that you would purposely enter a Blood elf request thread and say “No me first!”

There is literally no such thing as “Farstrider Tattoos”

@Snowsong-fizzcrank

I have no doubt that there are people who want them, but claiming that “elegant” or “pretty” themes are not also highly sought after, and requested, is just plain out false.

I didn’t.

I just have a problem that it is the ONLY thing for Blood Elves.

@Snowsong-fizzcrank

But you did, you attacked a player who merely suggested the idea because Lady Liadrin was depicted with gold eyes, and you kept telling them they were wrong, and then ended with the conversation with something that summed up to “you’re fel tainted, and that’s never gonna change!”

No I didn’t.

I said that according to the lore on orcs it takes generations for fel taint to change.

That was all we had to go on at the time and we had no idea it was going to be a specific thing for Light Users lorewise.

It was also datamined at the same time as the Bronze Dragons and only appeared on two faces. It was looking to either be for them or an NPC option until Blizzard Clarified that it was specifically a Light User thing.

I never said “you’re fel tainted, and that’s never gonna change!” I said according to the established lore at the time it would take generations.

@Snowsong-fizzcrank

Oh, I have no doubt you would be in favor of any cause that involved corrupting the Blood elves hun.

People have the options to play Dark Rangers/San’layn/Felblood IS NOT CORRUPTING BLOOD ELVES!

It’s ridiculous to think otherwise.

@Snowsong-fizzcrank

The face I make is because you honestly think anyone buys this.

Just Eyeroll. That’s it.

@Snowsong-fizzcrank

Yeah, the difference is they don’t only want dark themes for Blood elves, they want plenty of other themes that seem to never find a place on any of your lists.

Scars. Runes. Currently removed Fellblood.

I don’t think Lightwings/Tendrils/Horns will ever happen.

I do not Think Allerias Tattoos will be a thing on Blood Elves.

Are there any other things I’m missing?

@Snowsong-fizzcrank

I’m curious, have you ever added braids to one of your belf lists?

Yes.

Currently a toss up for that or fades as the Blood Elf “Vines”.

@Snowsong-fizzcrank

I will be impressed if you show me an instance where you supported light rune customization for Blood elves.

@Drede-cairne

Magic Rune Tattoos like the TBC Boxart in Green/Gold/Blue/Red/Faded (Same as Eye Colors)

“Same as eye colors” means

Green/Gold/Blue/Red/Faded = Fel/Light/Arcane/Death/No Glow.

You missed it because I’m including more than just one theme in the set.

@Snowsong-fizzcrank

There’s also no such thing as goth elves,

Dark Rangers, San’layn, Death Knights, Demon Hunters…

And I was just suggestion “Goth” jewelry options like chokers/nose & eyebrow rings.

You really, really, really, need to stop freaking out at the word goth in quotation marks.

And people should have to options to make their elves goth FYI.

@Snowsong-fizzcrank

and yet that is more rational, and believable than tattoos?

Those specific ones, yes.

@Snowsong-fizzcrank

You see where your open mind for new customizations seem to suddenly close when it comes to themes you want for your elves?

My elves are currently just Blood Elves.

Though I am doing some deleting since I’m too cheap to name change and have several level tokens saved. Switching my hunter to a VE and giving his name to my Blood Mage I plan to level through legion. And I want a NE Demon Hunter but only after the new stuff.

Keep in mind that Blizzard decided on High Elves through Void Elves and I already had several years of ideas of deferentation from Blood Elves to add to them.

Same with San’layn.

The Blood Elf suggestions list is actually my bigger list though…

@Snowsong-fizzcrank

And you can’t see the amount of liberty you’d be taking with the lore to make that happen? But Farstrider Tattoos are the no-go zone? Now I could be wrong, but it sounds like this is the result of some heavy bias.

Because they are Alleria Tattoos. Not Farstrider Tattoos.

That is not a theme of the Farstriders at all.

They where inspired from the old WC2 look for Alleria but have no relation to the Blood Elves.

Runs on the other hand are all over the place so I’m focusing on that for them since they can glow every magic color potentially.

And we can’t forget that they ONLY exist as a feature of Alleria, the Void Elf racial leader.

@Snowsong-fizzcrank

Then you haven’t.

And?

I’m also trying to work them in as the Blood Elf vines but I am also working on color fades as that option.

@Snowsong-fizzcrank

It could easily be a feature exclusive to certain hairstyles. Or just in the form of new hairstyles.

Well I was TRYING to make it something bigger to make up for the Blood Elves lack of Vines/Flowers but thats looking like a bust now.

@Snowsong-fizzcrank

Nothing we got is pretty , in fact it was all rather lazy and tacky.

I would file jewelry and haircuts under the “Pretty” category.

So for it’s the ONLY thing they’ve done.

Scars/Runes/Damaged Ears are desperately NEEDED but they aren’t there. Likely because they aren’t considered “pretty”.

That’s my issue. That they are only doing that and ignoring the “Gritty” side of things because Blood Elves are the “Pretty” elves and get no depth.

@Selesnya-wyrmrest-accord

O_o uwotmate???

Sorry but I don’t see them adding anything more complicated like that.

A lot of work and it’s kinda out of nowhere.

And they weird me out to put it politely.

[Velftroy-frostmourne]

That would actually be so awesome. I’d love to see something like this.

[Selesnya-wyrmrest-accord (Selesnya)]

Indeed, their flight form could be a Dragonhawk, and their Moonkin perhaps being Phoenix related, although the Phoenix would be closer to being a Mage/Shaman thing as a Phoenix itself is an elemental, though Balance draws on both the Sun and the Moon, so Blood Elves embracing the Solar part of nature magic would create a lovely dichotomy with the more Lunar inclined Night Elves.