Not quite.
Things like jewelry and hair styles? Not a big deal. Anyone can wear jewelry and do their hair.
The issue with velfs and belfs is that they share the same model.
So because they received the same skins as belfs, there is now nothing differentiating the two at the fundamental level.
You can take your velf, and look like a belf, but you cant take a belf and look like a velf.
That is what people have issues with.
It is not the number of options, it is the diversity of those options.
Why would I go to an ice cream store if they sellonly blueberry ice cream, when I can go next door and get blueberry OR strawberry?
Wrong.
I donât understand how both you and talendrion are having such a difficult time understanding the concept.
Iâm really hoping they even give some of the Leaf assets to Void/High Elves as well for those who really want to go for the Celtic/Ranger look. Even some of the Greenish Night Elf hair colors could look good for them.
Indeed, to you, and I respect that, I do. Itâs just like I said earlier above, different perspectives and preferences. There are two sides to this debate after all, therefor disagreements.
Interesting to know. As for me, Iâve never played on the Alliance side, never will, and for example I genuinely love Night elves, but will not play them because theyâre on the Alliance. You see though, I respect that. I would have to make a trade off to play them, by switching factions and walking out on my Horde, I like the stakes that racial uniqueness enforces.
yes something we did not want to happen in the first place, as it can be eternally used to deny us any requests for customizations that fall within normal human appearance - because belfs have all those already. same thing happens with classes. just because you think its ok for velfs to have shaman, doesnt mean other shamans think its okay for velfs to have shaman. if this were a democratic vote, velfs would be voted out of most of the gameâs functions.
I need a tally of number of times you have refused to answer that simple question. Iâm just going to assume you donât have a good answer.
Thatâs⊠ridonk. Draenei also had just a draenei theme, doesnât meant they didnât get more options⊠like for real, most races have gotten their already established themes EXPANDED, why wouldnât that be true for Void Elves?
Or you want Void Elves to have their theme expanded in a way no other race had?
Because it has literally happened for every core race⊠WTF.
Like I literally donât know what you mean with this.
What is actually your point here? what is the argument you are making? This is so devoid of anything.
Or you just donât have a good answer, kindly admit that.
Itâs just downright hilarious you find more worthwhile repeating âoh you just wonât accept the reasonâ rather than⊠just making the argument why exclusivity is important and desirable.
Sure, donât address any of my points, donât admit how hilariously wrong is that you think I am bothered that BEâs are on the Horde.
Like for real dude, you claim âi donât get your pointâ when you actually believe I donât like Blood Elves. You are not having a conversation with me, you are having a conversation with a version of me that only exists on your head.
It could be because we think differently than the average person.
I genuinely donât understand why people value things that are rare or exclusive then. It just doesnât compute to my brain. I just donât value things that way.
I donât care what other people have or how easy or difficult it was for them to get it. I only care about what I have and how difficult or easy it was for me to get it. It doesnât affect how I value the thing I got.
Eh, it just means the void elf theme wonât be played on in deeper detail.
If I had a tally for the âyou havenât explained itâ after explaining it, it would surely outnumber yours Tal.
It is reality. Do you not work in any form of development?
I am sorry this is ridiculous.
Are you really comparing every other race to velfs right now?
Velfs are the only race currently that share a model with the Horde. This makes the matter substantally different because anything you do to dranei expands on them entirely and on them alone.
With void elves? They gave them the blood elf look which is huge expansion in itself. You donât need to do anymore work from there.
You may want more void elf themes, but hey, it doesnât need to be done because they already have a void elf theme AND a high elf theme. That saves time, money, and effort. Their development is done as I said.
Are you so obstinate that you donât realize how ridiculous this sounds?
LikeâŠyouâre honestly comparing the matter of velfs, to every other core raceâŠwhen only velfs share a model.
LikeâŠdudeâŠthis isnât a case of not understanding but a case of refusing to get the point.
Other races are not comparable because they arenât sharing anything.
Sorry it took me a minute to figure out to respond to this but⊠this is just cognitive dissonance at this point.
This is as basic a metaphor as I can give you, and if you dont get the point, its because you donât want to.
Have you ever considered its simply because you donât listen? This is a rather constant theme with you where, someone explains it, you declare their explanation invalid (without any reason why its invalid), then sit on a horse and say âI WIN BECAUSE NO ONE HAS A GOOD ANSWER!â.
CongratsâŠyou win because people arenât interested in bashing their head against the wall.
If you didnât get it with the ice cream metaphor, youâre never going to get it dude.
I am rather done engaging in this conversation with you. There is clearly a gap that you just canât cross for some reason or another.
I am sure if a helfer explains it to you, you might get it then.
Mmm, but why tho? Why deprive yourself from experimenting the story from both sides if you are interested on the world?
Like, my guild is Horde, and I do all my progression stuff there, Alliance side I just mostly play for the experience tbh. I like to experience the story from different races and perspectives, so I have lots of alts to relax on.
I enjoy the narrative, so to me, the Alliance/Horde dichotomy allows me to experience it from both sides, which is amazing for me, and has really enrichened my experience.
So enforcing an aesthetic segregation that counters lore, goes against my enjoyment of the game, you know? I loved the Purge of Dalaran from both sides, it was so great to experience that from both sides, and it was the moment that I actually started to want HEâs to be playable. The idea of this civil war based on ideology was so good, and it is a shame it has never been realized in full.
You did notice it was basically a counter to your post about how you donât get the other side?
Itâs a matter of taste.
Uniqueness is memorability. Itâs setting it out from the crowd. It should mean that each race is more of a choice than just âHow do I want to look and on what factionâ Right now in wow, it mainly just influences the start of your journey, but it could be more. Each race should ideally leave its mark upon the story of the character being played.
It is taste, some people prefer that.
And am I wrong. Since you changed my statement to not mean what I said anymore.
Why are you so upset that Blizzard stuck the High Elves of WC2 & 3 on the Horde in TBC?
Nope. Your method of thinking is the same as everyone else. The issue is that you arenât thinking about it the way other people think about the issue.
Youâre trying to frame it in the way you think about it.
He never said that dude.
I am wondering if this is what youâre doing the entire time. If what youâre reading does not match what people have written.
Tarrok didnât say you disliked blood elves.
He asked why you disagree with the design decision to place them where they are.
Anyways, off to bed.
I am not interested in circular dance soâŠrefrain from your replies I wont be reading em
Oh look whoâs trying to make an authority argument! Tell us all how much dev time asset swaps make. Letâs rememember your point here is that asset swapping HE aesthetics will take enough time that developing VE stuff will be out of the question!
Ridonk indeed!
Added to the tally
I mean the fact alone that you think that VEâs have an asset swapped HE theme they donât need a customization expansion the way any CR got and AR should get on itself is enough to dismiss this nonsense.
I mean you are the one saying that because VEâs got some asset swaps they wonât get VE expanded customization, soâŠ
Even Fyre makes the point clearer than you.
Yeah, you do suck at making a concise point, not going to lie.
Loyalty to the faction Iâve always played comes at a price, I wouldnât feel that sense of faction pride if I simply played on both factions at the same time. Iâd quit the game before I do that. Having a feel of belonging to a specific faction was one of the foundations that Blizzard pushed for this MMO, but I fully understand that itâs not for everyone.
Also, let me ask you the same question: Why do you deprive yourself from playing the race that already has the features youâre hoping get cloned to the void elves? Those few left over unique aspects that havenât already been given to the Void elves, are there for Blood elves, so why? Wait, you want them on the Alliance! But I thought you played on both factions, so whatâs the issue? Faction loyalty isnât it? Funny how that works both ways.
Oh maybe you do already play Blood elves? There you go then, you have your High elves.
In this post, Talendrion continues to display an inability to understand the points explained to him, while attempting to compare the person he is speaking to, to Fyre, as if such a thing is an insult.
You simply just have issues getting the point dude. This is how ALL arguments end with you.
You not getting the point over and over and over.
People get tired of explaining it in simpler and simpler terms.
You begin making snide remarks.
They get tired of it and point out how youâre behaving.
You make more snide remarks, then get upset no one wants to deal with your attempt at intellectualism.
Iâm pointing out the false equivalence of adding something against preventing someone else to get something similar because you have it. All in the name of exclusivity.
-How do you âset yourself from the crowdâ when the option is a binary
-isnât an actual choice of alignment more meaningful than an arbitrary âthis race goes hereâ
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Why do you keep thinking I am upset about Blood Elves being on the Horde? What is this about???
My method of thinking is the same as everyone elseâŠ
But Iâm not thinking about it the way other people think about itâŠ
Iâm trying to frame it in the way I think about itâŠ
That post has more twists than a pretzel factory.
I just donât value things the way I see many people value them. The rarity/exclusivity doesnât make something more valuable to me. I donât know why.
I totally understand that sentiment, but I donât understand why that belonging is limited by aesthetic choices. Which is why I like the HE/BE divide. They CHOSE their factions in actual, based on ideology.
True choice of Horde and Alliance feels far more meaningful.
Exactly, I donât deprive myself from playing Blood Elves. My Main horde is a Belf (well⊠my two horde mains are Belves ;D)
But as I said, as someone that likes to experience the game from different perspectives, Blood Elves just arenât High Elves in the way the Silver Covenant are High Elves, you know? Again. the whole Purge and Isle of thunder really get me going in terms of political divide, I just love the stuff.
Blood Elves are the inheritors of a ravaged homeland, re-imagining themselves to survive. Whatâs not to love?
High Elves are the scattered remains of a long gone ideal, clinging to an existence that might face away. Whatâs not to love?
Sorry, I jumped a couple of points ahead of you there.
Your way of thinking is not different from anyone else.
Why?
It is hard to understand where someone is coming from, because, like many other people, understanding how someone else thinks is difficult. It is difficult to understand how someone views things unless you 180 yourself.
