CHARR NEED NO GODS.
1 Like
Trust me, we donât care that much, yâall can have that mess.
I think what offends me most, though, isnât just that they made Elune ridiculously, hilariously stupid; but that they randomly made her callous, calculating, evil by any reasonable metric. To consider who in hell knows how many of her own civilians dying, to look at them in their helplessness, and be like âyeah this is fineâ
It just absolutely flushes any faith her people had in her or any assurance she was a positive presence, itâd be like if they revealed the Earthmother and she said âyeah my children suck and are chronically Worfed by design, it is My Sacred Willâ
Par for Blizzardâs course but Iâm almost glad I never got super invested in Nelves because Iâd be crushed.
4 Likes
Yeah so now all the forces have a pantheon so that Elune can call the Winter Queen âsisterâ. By the way, the Winter Queenâs design is still so âoffâ to me, like itâs half finished.
Anyhow, the first ones being dead is cliche, thatâs how it always goes âour creators are deadâ, yeah no crap they are. *yawn
The greater universe is made very small if the Legion/Sargeras destroyed all life.
Honestly I just hate it. If youâre going galactic, donât make it this dumb. Thereâs a huge dissonance between the infinite vastness of the universe and the whittling down of it to where one planet matters â thatâs not a good cosmic scale at all.
3 Likes
Galadriel but worse
1 Like
I refuse to believe weâre all thatâs left. The universe is VAST. Maybe our galaxy and a few neighboring ones were scoured, but no way the entire universe. If thatâs the case Azeroth should have lost. The Legion, by all rights, should be incomprehensibly big if they have killed all other life. That would even make me feel WoD should have ended with the Legion just engulfing Draenor with sheer numbers.
2 Likes
Yeah, but they didnât have Illidan.
Seriously, remember one of the Demon Hunter artifacts were weapons forged by a race the Legion wiped out but specifically were one of the few races to hold the Legion at bay for a while.
Weâre âspecialâ, in the same way the Humans of the Korpulu Sector are special. The same way the Nephilim of Diablo are special.
Blizzard has ONE story (ie WarCraft 3) and they recycle it mercilessly.
2 Likes
I got âAsari cosplayinâ as a coat rackâ vibes
I mean I ainât no collection of primo parts neither so eh
1 Like
I said this about the raid cinematic, but I think it applies here too, and thatâs the idea that there is a good story here.
Blizzard just doesnât know how/want to tell it.
Revenge vs Justice, Restorative vs Retributive Justice, etc. These are cool (and important!) concepts to explore and one of the things that I absolutely love about genre fiction is that it often does deal with âbig questionsâ like these.
There is a story where Elune, herself a duality of Mother Moon and Night Warrior, learns of Sylvanasâ fragmented soul and pities her, even despite the Banshee Queenâs many sins, and Tyrande struggles to comprehend this.
There is a story where Tyrande is consumed by vengeance, and begins to blur the line between justice and vengeance, alienating those close to her even if they understand her pain. Dang if only she had a connection to a cast of characters who have struggled with these questions before. Like, idk, a Demon Hunter who changed his physiology and became a pariah to exact his vengeance quite successfully. Or an awesome assassin woman who pursued vengeance at all costs but found in the end it left her feeling nothing but empty and at the end of all the bloodshed and killing, her grief was still there. Maybe an adopted daughter who lost her parents to the Legion but has never given into despair and wants to help her mother back from the ledge. Maybe we can call them Billidan and Naiev and Thandris. It would be so cool if characters like that existed and had a connection to Tyrande. And maybe after this beautiful arc, Tyrande does have Sylvanas - whole, guilt-ridden, broken-hearted Sylvanas - at her mercy and makes the decision herself to spare the Broken Queen.
There is a story where we wonder why Elune let all those innocents die. And then, when we defeat the Jailer, we have this dark moment where the Shadowlands have been too damaged by the drought. It doesnât matter. We failed. And then Elune appears and says, âI did not abandon you, sister,â and hundreds of thousands of wisps appear. The dead of Teldrassil, lingering as anima-rich wisps in the world of the living, waiting at the wisdom of their goddess for this moment. In a beautiful moment that mirrors the destruction of Archimonde at Hyjal, the multitude of wisps detonate on the Ardenweald tree and their anima restores it and âlifeâ to all of the Shadowlands.
Tyrande relinquishing the power of the Night Warrior should have been momentous. In a world of super weapons and attempts of genocide, she had godlike power (which should have been respected more but that has been discussed to death.) And she let it go. It should be an incredibly beautiful moment, witnessed by all the main characters and acknowledged in game for what it was.
And maybe some of that stuff is coming. But a 30 second cinematic here and there dribbled out every 6 months in a game that otherwise doesnt respect my time and what I put into it isnât worth it.
8 Likes
Hey big Winter Q, itâs your girl Elune coming at you with an EXCLUSIVE new coin offer: $NELF in partnership with our friends at GallyWallet! Using our unhackable MawChain technology, every transaction is MATHEMATICALLY GUARANTEED to land in your wallet only!
Want to do great things while investing in a great product? We got you! At $NELF, we pride ourselves on giving back by donating one point zero zero percent of all post-tax gains to our charity funding faction transfers for night elf orphans!
Visit www.ThisLinkWillSendYouToTheMaw.wix for more details!
#ad #TreesOutForTeldrassil #blessed
5 Likes
The more I consider the whole Anima thing the more Iâm convinced that Azeroth is simply the Matrix.
You become an anima battery in life for the real world in your time in the simulation of Azeroth, and your death is simply that battery running out and the âafterlivesâ just inserting new batteries.
The Jailer is Agent Smith. Taking all the resources âAnimaâ and copying himself/his minions over and over to take control.
At this point the Shadowlands story seems so flip-floppy and not-convoluted-but-trying-to-be and so poorly told I feel like I am better off preserving myself by thinking the entire expansion + BfA is a fever dream after we all hit our heads at the end of Legion when the sword plunged into Azeroth.
6 Likes
Why is she the Winter Queen?
its not exactly winter in her realm
Maybe Ardeanweald is like the PNW and itâs more like a mild balmy winter and seldom gets cold enough for snow
My only thought is that Winter is when nature seems to be dead, but really is resting, replenishing, and getting ready for next Spring. Like Ardenweald, where souls go to rest until they are ready to bloom again in the world of the living.
4 Likes
legion was the end of the world. we defeated the burning legion, sure, but sargeras still sunk his blade into azeroth. the sheer force of the impact cracked the planet wide open, sending chunks of it hurtling into space. a third of the worldâs population died instantly, and not many survived the next few months. only those savvy enough to escape off world (be it through time manipulation or actual space flight) were able to survive.
by the end of the month after the impact, azeroth was barren.
the legion was defeated, at long last⌠but at the cost of our final sacrifice.
in time, azeroth would be turned into a great monument of the success and tragedy of its mortal heroes in the universeâs most dire hour. itâd serve as a rallying cry for the warriors that now faced the void.
battle for azeroth? shadowlands? who dares defile the legacy of the world of legionfall, where all of everything was ushered into deliverance by mortal hands and mortal minds? a shame. we consider not the word of defilers.
6 Likes
because it sounds like something fey
because it is in, like, every other franchise and WoW is nothing if not a barnacle clinging to the hull of the SS Trope.
Indeed - Winter as a season is typically associated with death but also rebirth and renewal. From this viewpoint the Winter Queen is appropriate symbology given Ardenwealdâs role in the cycle, although I do think the zone wouldâve been better served thematically with a layer of snow.
2 Likes
Itâs just not that deep. Her name has no meaning. Like with many things in the game, they just lifted the theme/concept out of something elseâin this case, Shakespeare and real world mythologiesâbut without any kind of depth. Her name is the Winter Queen, but her association with winter is tenuous at best. There are fairies in Ardenweald and they play pranks but thatâs it. The Wild Hunt is there, but itâs only the defense force. Seelie? Unseelie? What are those??
Itâs just a bunch of related concepts from another source haphazardly dumped into WoW with no sense of congruence or meaning. Itâs the lore equivalent of a Family Guy joke, where itâs just a copy-pasted mess of âhey recognize this?â
6 Likes
The winter season is associated with nature dying and death so it makes sense from that point of view.
this one bothered me the most
the wild hunt is a really cool concept in myth and in most games ive seen it put into, but in wow its just another lame guard force.
meaningless.
3 Likes