But hang on, that’s not a justification for your claim that the “Orcs wouldn’t be corrupted if the Draenei hadn’t come - they weren’t evil.” That’s a completely different, unrelated claim you’ve made.
So either we debate whether the orcs were evil, or whether the lore is valid. Given that when I joined the discussion, we were debating whether the orcs were evil, then there’s a certain hypocrisy in attacking the lore - like you’re doing now. Which was my point, after you started attacking the lore people were using to disprove your arguments.
Draenei tried to talk to orcs, orcs were hostile. Orcs were already attacking draenei/themselves long before the legion showed up. And as WoD showed, they didn’t need any demon juice to commit atrocities.
Yeah I hate to be the one to tell you (no I don’t) but your waifu has been a despicable, self-serving slimeball ever since they raised her. (And she wasn’t overwhelmingly competent even before then…)
Well they probably thought that they lost them while traveling across the cosmos. They probably should have said something but then you know the Orcs could have asked once the Legion started poking around. But no, instead they sell their soul for power and start mucking around.
If you really want to be pissed at someone about the whole situation, look no further than the Highborne NEs. After all it was them that drew the attention of the Legion to our world. It was them that entered into a pact to bring them here, so they could wipe out all life (expect the Highborne). Now the fun part, those same elves latter became the High Elves and then you.
your arrived on there Planet un announced and just made your self at home. Yeah no thanks not how it works the Draenei brought destruction to many worlds cause the legion followed them.
We know VERY VERY little of the Orcs beside that retcon you support now I remember in 2007 when I started the quests lines in each capital that explained each race. But those were removed along with many other quests to stream line the game. I don’t see the Orcs Evil I see the space goats as evil cause they still refuse to admit they brought the legion to the Orcs and set events in motion.
It’s the lore. I’m sorry if you don’t like lore that disagrees with your interpretations, but it simply is the case. The Orcs were always warlike, not every clan was friendly. Bleeding Hollow, Warsong, Blackrock, Laughing Skull, Burning Blade, Shattered Hand. Are these names friendly-sounding? Do they sound peace-loving to you?
I haven’t seen the Draenei deny this. But even still
Fleeing from your enemy, and that enemy chasing you, does not make you evil. I dare you to apply that reasoning to something like World War II. If your life was in danger, you would run - that doesn’t make you evil.
your really trying to keep that field goal post moving . YOU do NOT go to another country and get them involved with YOU war and then Go Oh no they are now killing us as well they must be evil.
Sorry Nothing is in game or in Lore that ever states the Draenei ever apologized and for them to claim the Orcs own worlds as there own is even more of a insult.
Not really. I’m drawing a parallel in the hopes of making you see that your current stance is unreasonable.
An enemy like the Legion was not “The Draenei’s war.” They try to kill all races, and all worlds. Even if the Draenei had not fled to Draenor, the Legion would have arrived and attacked eventually. It was still the Orcs’ war, even if they only got their first taste of it by the refugees.
“I’m sorry for fleeing to a safer place when demons killed many of my loved ones and destroyed my world.” It’s such an absurd line of reasoning. I would not call you evil if your race was being exterminated and you fled to my world/country/whatever.
Friendly reminder that Horde warlocks captured pandaren children and kept them locked up in cages guarded by demons and demanded tribute for their lives.
Thats not even exaggerating like is done all the time in these threads. That is actually what happens.
They had humans i know of they were trying to turn undead. But many of the old UC quest were removed in Lick King and Cat. cause the achivement for Lore master seemed to change every expansion as did the number of quests you had to do.
