talking about the current meta bud, that’s why I said for the next 3 days they are mortals.
TL;DR since reading comprehension is hard, shaman are mortals right now.
in 0 damage reduction meta, they are OP simply due to the amount of damage and utility they put out. it may be harder to get MSW stacks from fighting one dude, but you crit heal for like 2k in emerald warden gear. yeah you die faster, but anyone you connect with dies way faster. meaning more maelstrom from killing and moving onto the next one, or if you win the wf lottery and get a full MSW stack off like 1 or 2 globals, enjoy your instant 1100-2k heal with 0 mana cost. just because you die when you get blasted down by ranged in a 0 damage reduction LIKE THE REST OF ALL MELEE doesn’t mean you aren’t OP
I really feel bad for the other people in your life. You sound exhausting. I’m really sorry you feel like you got less internet points than someone else.
heh we also dont benefit from charge/shadowstep/stealth/bubble/ect to actually get to a target meaning we have to eat every bit of damage while getting to a target .
thats why its balanced that we have large upfront damage cause if we get to you half or more dead we should be able to at least pressure or kill you .
unless you wanna give a gap closer like that youll have to excuse me if i dont agree with your assessment of shaman balance.
They will not be content until Shamans are free HKs again.
At this point, just ignore them.
(They don’t like bringing up Paladins doing stupid amounts of damage, and being able to bubble out of any CC to do it.)
I decided…after getting deleted on my hunter by a Paladin hitting me (while bubbled of course) for 1000 crit JUST with Seal of Command…that they are just hiding behind retnoobs and whining about Shamans to keep the heat off of Paladins.
interesting you cherrypicked the last sentence of my post while ignoring why I say it’s OP, didn’t know there were 0 targets in a BG to hit in melee range, I guess sometimes you que into a team of ONLY casters
i have played extensively. Shamans seem like theres no weakness. i try to fear them, they break out of it even after i check for tremor totems. I try to kill them from ranged they just heal themselves, ghost wolf to me, frost shock, dead shortly after. their close ranged damage is mindblowingly insane. even when i think im gonna win, they just drop a grounding totem and lesser heal to max if they didnt even do it from insta cast maelstrom procs. It sucks.If i try to fight them from a distance with dots up and try to hardcast, they get close enough to snare me. Theres nothing that can be done.
why are shaman replies always so disingenuous like this. No one is asking for shamans to be weak. They are overpowered therefore they need to be dropped down a peg so they can be on the same level as every other class, or at least make it so they arent the current godmode tuning they currently have. They virtually have everything right now. They dont even need CDs because just being themselves is an endless CD.
the shaman copium in these posts is laughable, keep deluding yourselves into thinking youre good at the game and you can all pvp against yourself soon when everyone rerolls horde or goes play cata turning sod into a one faction game. Youre right, shaman is not broken its all a git gud situation… still, everyone else is bad and youre all actually that good at wow lol those 1-2 shot are ALL SKILL!
you have to get to the target to do any damage . you know what youre doing while getting to that target ? eating every bit of damage other than the 1 spell grounding gets (could be a big spell or it could be a throwoff icelance!) any good team will turn and focus the shaman to oblivion.
i assumed you meant enh shaman but maybe you meant resto shaman? cant be both at once. and enh shaman quick heals are garbo unless you mean malestrom stacks heals (you can purge or dispel the stacks btw).
support ? you mean windfury or goa? or you mean the two you listed being decoy and grounding? cant have 1 while the other is up in some cases and is a choice on which totems you use.
putting paladin support to shame is laughable . they are quite comparable and quick hint… shaman dont have bubbles to put on other people or themselves.
you can have instant self heals or you can have instant lava bursts (which also rely on being within 20 yards of an opponent to cause a crit) . you can also dispel the malestrom stacks from the shaman for no instant casts ever. also to gain malestom stacks we have to actually be hitting the opponent.
this one you have half a point. but we do run out of mana very quickly as well and its still a 1 min cooldown.
anyone having a non druid flag running is doing themselves a disservice .
again procs from actually hitting the opponent that can be dispelled at range by your priest and also they cant have the instant heal and also have instant cast damage spells like lava burst. you have to chose.
you are probably getting the metas confused here . the 1-3 shot meta everyone was getting 1-3 shot (who knew?).
the current meta is 20% physical damage reduction 30% magic damage reduction and 20% healing reduction . all of which hit shaman with every one of them. people are surviving longer because of it but honestly it doesnt feel too bad. maybe you should try it?
the snare from frost shock drs itself and can be dispelled and puts all the other shocks on cooldown for 6 seconds. that means the dot and the interrupt .
if you mean snare by placing your earth bind totem and then shooting it at someone that also means your grounding or any protection or clearing totem goes to that point and you are out of range of it to affect you.
it isnt overpowered if you realized how the class actually functions but you just spew a list of crap like it all is just self evident and it is not.
tell me , without just completely gutting shaman for some stupid revenge , what do you think is overpowered that i have not already debunked?
seriously . your brain is stuck on 3 or 4 metas ago back in p2 vs what a shaman currently is and its sad.
edit to also add:
i wanted to say this very clearly as well.
i have been among the first to call out when i view something is broken on any class especially shaman.
i was among the first to call for way of earth to require a shield and made many posts about how broken dual rb and way of the earth was.
ive also called out when the overcharge rune was added that it was busted and needed adjusted (i diddnt agree with the fix and wouldve done it another way but still).
one thing i dont think you shamans dont realise is actually how difficult it is to actually hit the totems. having to wand them requires alot of time and during the process of hitting them the shaman will likely have u at half health or less already. where all a shaman has to do is cast purge which removes not 1 but 2 buffs. too many things going on that are imbalanced the more and more i think about it. im not a mage so i dont have ice lances and i doubt mages are going to sacrifice an entire rune for that terrible spell.
There is no convincing anyone here with these flaccid arguments your class isnt overtuned and overpowered. Just enjoy your time in the glory, knowing how terrible blizzard is at everything it probably will stay this way anyways.
