Nerf starsurge! this is a joke!

[Wickedelf-living-flame]

I agree with some of your points and disagree with others. However, lets get back to the original topic between us which was whether or not it we should “let blizzard cook” or not.

My point summarized is:

1. Warriors in era would be very weak compared to other classes at 25.
2. Warriors are very powerful in SoD at 25 (with regards to raid dps).
3. This is because blizz gave warriors runes that were more powerful than other classes. (The evidence for this is that in era they would be near the bottom at 25 and now they are at the top).
4. Not only are these runes more powerful, but they scale extremely well. They effectively “stack” on top of the warriors old kit.
5. Since warriors were already top dogs in era, giving them runes which are more powerful than other classes mean they will end up as top dogs +++ in SoD.

Edit: It would be haven better to give warriors “non-scaling runes” to prop them up at low level until their full kit came online. Blizz’s choice is bad design so I lost faith.

[Haavi-barthilas (Haavi)]

@Wickedelf-living-flame

Warriors in era would be very weak compared to other classes at 25.

Agreed.

@Wickedelf-living-flame

Warriors are very powerful in SoD at 25 (with regards to raid dps).

Agreed.

@Wickedelf-living-flame

This is because blizz gave warriors runes that were more powerful than other classes. (The evidence for this is that in era they would be near the bottom at 25 and now they are at the top).

I agree that this is the case, but I’m still not sure it’s the cause. (The scaling runes with typically underperforming warrior at this level should have provided less benefit)

@Wickedelf-living-flame

Not only are these runes more powerful, but they scale extremely well. They effectively “stack” on top of the warriors old kit.

Agreed.

I think our only real difference in opinion is simply I believe the scaling is the key mechanic contributing to warrior being extremely powerful with runes taking advantage of that and amplifying it, whereas your opinion is simply the reverse in that the runes are the main contributor with scaling being secondary.

@Wickedelf-living-flame

Since warriors were already top dogs in era, giving them runes which are more powerful than other classes mean they will end up as top dogs +++ in SoD

Agreed. I’ve said it in other threads, but the potential of warrior at 25 makes the thought of 60 terrifying. Especially with the changes to Deep Wounds and ease of proccing it with abilities like Quickstrike, even discounting the flat buff that Consumed by Rage essentially will give them.

@Wickedelf-living-flame

Edit: It would be haven better to give warriors “non-scaling runes” to prop them up at low level until their full kit came online.

Yeah for sure. Honestly it would have made more sense in general. We can only hope for similar changes to other classes in future phases, but what that does for the game as a whole…
They really need to rethink what they are doing.

@Wickedelf-living-flame

Blizz’s choice is bad design so I lost faith.

Agreed.
The design of simply tacking on runes without other changes (except to for warrior who didn’t need it, and hunter who needed it at end game bit weren’t the worst off anyway) and then the rune choices they made…
It was honestly very disappointing to view, hopefully they actually take the time to do actual meaningful changes from P2 onwards but personally I doubt it.

[Darkoracle-burning-blade]

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[Mirari-crusader-strike]

@Mirari-crusader-strike

As a Boomy Druid I can say yes, Starsurge’s massive buff was a bit too much, to the point even hybrid heal druids are taking Starsurge instead of another heal. It’s instant, high range, costs practically nothing (at 25 it costs 4 mana), on low cooldown, and benefits from 100% of +spell damage. 100%!

But the issue is Balance is still garbage in PVE content with this buff, standing in the bottom 5 specs. I have no problem nerfing Starsurge specifically if we get buffed instead across our entire kit. Starfire especially is a complete joke of a spell at this point, with a massive cast time and not damage nor utility to merit using it, even without Starsurge existing.

If unaddressed, it will get worse as others have pointed out, next phase we’ll have extra crit damage, crit chance, and stun chance on an already heavily-loaded spell.

For the record, I tried to warn everyone, but nobody listened and Blizz ruined it anyway.