Nerf EXP from BGs and/or make a low base ilvl required

[Sthis-shandris]

The whole point is to prove that your crutch that our gear gives us some kind of phenomenal power is complete hogwash. Item for item they are very similar. There is a reason we say that heirloom gear is comparable.

My stance in every single argument in every thread has been about enchants. How does this get lost? Enchants make the difference. No duh heirlooms are comparable to you base stats in enchanted gear. You’re not all walking around in legendaries. A twinks gear (enchanted because otherwise they wouldn’t be a twink) is superior to anyone playing.

Nope, as I stated I play resto and while I admit that my damage is quite good I avg around 200 mostly less in most games. I’m just a stickler for dotting everyone that I can.

If you were to switch to balance spec, you would do well over 300.

If you’re going to use the crux that you are leveling, I can’t see for the life of me why you don’t have your heirlooms enchanted from level 1, or level 20 if an allied race. Enchants help with that leveling because killing mobs gets you the exp faster. Are you now moving the goalpost? I don’t understand the “we are here to level, not compete” mentality

Let’s not pretend that this is common thing. It’s rare to see a leveler with enchanted gear. And yes I know there’s one stalking the forums, and you stay outta this! You’re the exception not the rule. All ive seen from twinks are basically “well if everyone twinked then it wouldn’t be an issue”

[Eilane-kilrogg]

Everyone keeps saying twinks are insignificant and low in numbers, yet we get all these “I’m GY camped and one shot every game QQ” posts.

Interesting, isn’t it?

[Kangmurloc-dark-iron]

Enchants make the difference.

Enchants are a part of this wonderful deep MMO experience, as all of the other Professions.
BFA Enchants have been scaled accordingly to Level, as you level.+

Remember Fiery, or the famous Crusader.
These have and should always be an integral part of our MMO IMO.

[Sthis-shandris]

But yet there’s not enough of you to support your own bracket. Interesting isn’t it?

[Eilane-kilrogg]

I haven’t twinked since…Cata?

[Jugajr-emerald-dream (Jugajr)]

19s and 29s are fine. The other levels are scattered.

[Welfarê-silvermoon]

Enchants make the difference.

Stamina	intellect	haste	crit	versa	Dodge
	5		2
	4
5	5
	6
14
8					3
5
				2
				2
	18
	8
32	46	0	2	4	3

32 stamina = 352 hp more
46 int/sp
2 crit
4 more versa
3 crit

Didn’t add the Mark of the Hidden Satyr in it. It’s damage ranges from 120-340 on a crit.

If you think that these enchants are what’s ruining the game, I don’t know what to tell you. Are there enchants that are broken and can be used in excess? Sure there are, crusader weapon swapping being the biggest.

These are things Blizzard could have fixed to tone down some of the damage. These things they could have found out if they would have just opened some sort of dialog with us.

You’re the exception not the rule

My guess is that you are going to see a lot more of them in the coming days.

[Cantz-saurfang (Cantz)]

Alright, I’m not for or against the idea of enchanting heirlooms, but some people need to start being more realistic about how much gold is required to enchant. I’ve seen it in multiple threads now, people saying enchanting is <500g and some other low amounts. Hidden Satyr alone is 6.5k on my realm.

[Greyhide-khadgar (Greyhide)]

This. I read “it just costs a few gold…” but as I proved in another thread, feasibility is a huge factor that these people deliberately avoid because it destroys their argument. On my main’s server, low level enchants are very expensive.

[Zycci-whisperwind]

Some of the enchants favored by twinks can be pricey when you can’t make them yourself. Others however are quite affordable or easy to make. Putting them on heirlooms is a good return on investment. You only have to enchant them once, because the enchants scale with you just like looms do.

The ones from MoP shouldn’t be hard for anyone, since you can literally grow the mats on your Tillers farm.

[Cantz-saurfang (Cantz)]

Some of the enchants favored by twinks can be pricey when you can’t make them yourself. Others however are quite affordable or easy to make. Putting them on heirlooms is a good return on investment. You only have to enchant them once, because the enchants scale with you just like looms do.

I tend to have multiple enchanted sets, probably a waste of gold but its a habbit I just can’t break, been doing it since MoP. I’ll even make sets even when I don’t intend of using them.

[Zycci-whisperwind]

I tend to have multiple enchanted sets, probably a waste of gold but its a habbit I just can’t break, been doing it since MoP. I’ll even make sets even when I don’t intend of using them.

Well, I’m going to say that you are the exception to the rule with that last part.

I do have more than one of the same set, but it’s not required since you can mail them to any character on your account, any server, either faction.

[Hushpup-moon-guard-116265]

It’s interesting seeing people with low post counts popping up into threads with the same arguments that other twinks were having previously, isn’t it? Really makes you think.

Ok wait a minute, what does post count have to do with anything? I know people who have played the game much longer than I have and have never made a forum post.

It has to do with characters with no post counts conveniently coming into this specific thread, reading tons of posts, and replying specifically to me. <3 They’re also very clearly being antagonistic towards me, so I’m leaning towards alts of people I’ve already discredited and beaten in a debate or friends of said people.

[Cantz-saurfang (Cantz)]

It has to do with characters with no post counts conveniently coming into this specific thread, reading tons of posts, and replying specifically to me.

But they can do all that on any character, each character has its own post count now. Still doesn’t answer my question.

[Hushpup-moon-guard-116265]

This is always the comeback for twinks even when they know it’s a lie. If heirlooms gave you that much of an edge then there wouldn’t be any twink hate.

my gear:

Column1	Stamina	intellect	haste	crit	versa
Head	17	12	9	0	7
Shoulders	13	8	11	0	0
Neck	9	0	0	0	19
Chest	17	12	6	0	10
back	9	6	0	0	10
Waist	13	13	0	0	14
legs	17	12	6	0	10
gloves	13	9	0	4	8
wrist	9	6	0	0	11
feet	13	7	0	0	14
ring1	9	7	0	0	7
ring2	9	0	0	0	19
trinket1	0	10	10	0	0
trinket2	0	10	0	0	10
Weapon	9	34	3	0	5
off-hand	9	18	0	4	3
	166	164	45	8	147

heirloom gear with open slots filled either pvp vendor or AH:

Column1	Stamina	intellect	haste	crit	versa
Head	17	11	15	0	0
Shoulders	13	8	11	0	0
Neck	9	6	0	0	8
Chest	17	11	0	15	0
back	9	6	4	4	0
Waist	13	13	0	0	14
legs	17	11	7	7	0
gloves	12	8	0	6	5
wrist	10	7	0	5	5
feet	13	7	0	0	14
ring1	9	6	0	8	0
ring2	9	7	0	0	7
trinket1	0	11	0	0	0
trinket2	0	11	0	0	0
Weapon	8	30	7	0	0
off-hand	8	16	7	0	0
	164	169	51	45	53

Neither sets include enchants. Looks pretty close to me. Where do you see them differing at?

Vers for one, and two proc-based stuff; and yes full enchants including on items that are not heirlooms.

[Hushpup-moon-guard-116265]

Enchants scale with heirlooms. Stop making excuses.

PVP scales with levels, stop making excuses and twinking to win.

[Hushpup-moon-guard-116265]

Except honor level is only relevant from Legion and BFA in the first place.

[Kangmurloc-dark-iron]

Juga the Twink.
We have heard it all.
I guess that is what happens when you step up to the plate.

[Hushpup-moon-guard-116265]

Juga the Twink.
We have heard it all.
I guess that is what happens when you step up to the plate.

“Haha guys, this person thinks twinks are twinks! Hoo boy how silly.”

[Kangmurloc-dark-iron]

Sorry I can’t see your post through my Rhinestone stunners.