There is no such thing as an ‘innocent’ Forsaken.
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Nah, the Forsaken had the quest set to ensure all their civilians were saved before you could advance to the next point.
The Night Elves had the quest set to ensure you lost likely 100 times what you saved.
The Forsaken got extracted to Org where they were quite safe while Jaina had a nightmare and the Alliance PC got arrested and needed to passively be saved by NPCs.
The Night Elves were extracted to Stormwind, just in time for the horde PC to raid the place, get to actively rescue some prisoners, and set fire to the Night Elves’ refuge.
While some of the major key points between the Night Elves and the Forsaken look to have been the same (Especially if you are only looking at a bullet point summary) but the actual experience (and the details) have been quite frankly uneven in the favor of the Forsaken.
While I agree the forsaken got it bad in BFA, they are not at the level the Night Elves are. And this was intentional on Blizz’s part.
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im sure there were civilian casualities…and doesn’t mean they aren’t still refugees just like the Nelfs.
But please continue your “woe is me” night elf montage.
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you are just uninformed. you are arguing based on assumption even though these assumptions are proven wrong in the official lore.
Nelfs aren’t refugees, they are dead and in wow hell forever now thanks to the horde.
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forsaken/horde like NElf/Alliance had each had a quest to save respective races from certain death…doesn’t mean ALL Forsaken in Lordearon were saved.
Sylvanas literally said all civilians were evacuated, stop spreading false facts.
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Funny…I see them chilling in Stormwind…for a completely extinct race, they are surprisingly alive.
There were SI:7 agents attacking Forsaken, including civilians, in the Horde intro to the Siege of Lordaeron. I don’t think there are any official or in-game comments on whether few/some/many/most civilians died, but I think it’s meant to show that it’s not 0.
Of course, Blizzard doesn’t seem to spend time writing pure pathos stories for the Horde. I wonder if it’s because they don’t think those stories fit their own idea of Horde themes, or because they don’t think the playerbase would react to those stories the way they want them to. But it does make the portrayals of what could be similar events seem wildly different.
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She doesn’t. One can read the text here.
It’s asked…
And the Horde player is told…
But nothing about “all civilians were evacuated”. Or even that there were no civilian casualties.
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It’s more than just a story going in a direction I don’t like. It is a pattern. A series of not just unfulfilled promises, but promises rewarded then stripped, nay, literally burned away. Every “Love letter” as in every promise given to night elf fans no longer feels like a promise… it feels like a looming threat. the writing for Night Elves feel not as a series of blunders or part of the inherent difficulties of in-game writing, or wording mistakes, but as active malice.
Eles literally believes the Night Elves are extinct…soo that should tell you all you need to know…
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You literally can not advance the Horde’s side of Lordearon until all the civilians have been found and sent to safety.
You literally can not rescue even 20% of the Night Elf Civilians in the Alliance’s side of Teldrassil. I wasn’t even able to break 100 (Out of over 980) rescued on any of three characters with the Speed Boots Legendary. I couldn’t even hit 10% (but I do admit that we were lumped in with other PCs so we were competing for the same NPCs, which wasn’t a good design decision).
These quests were different as night and day.
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Are you suggesting that during those quests, that the Horde/Alliance champion was solely and personally responsible for the evacuation of each and every civilian in Undercity/Teldrassil?
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again…saving SOME civilians is not the same as ALL civilians. That would be hundreds or thousands of NPCs…what you saved 10…maybe 15? nice.
With those numbers both Forsaken and Nelves are on the brink of extinction.
But Night elves have a premium on lose this expansion huh??
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You can just kill the SI:7 and save 2 Forsakens npc and still advance the Horde quests
Imagine being delusional enough to think that the forsaken and the night elves are on the same level of suffering.
It’s is not even remotely close.
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Is it really worth your precious and limited time on this world to keep up this pointless crusade?
There are maybe a dozen or a couple of dozen people who frequent this corner… if ALL of them unsubbed it wouldn’t even move the needle.
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Not going to stop until Blizzard stops spitting on the Night Elves. Not until atleast one single positive thing happened. They tried to make us forget about Teldrassil and then they had to bring it up again just to rub salt into the wound and make it 100 times worse by telling us that all innocents that died will be in torment and pain forever. This is just sick and distasteful honestly.
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While I’m loathed at this point to join in the chorus of night elf players and their infinite suffering, the two evacuation quests are structured very very differently in tone and purpose.
Evacuation of Teldrassil involves you trying and failing to save people. You save a few sure, but you eventually pass out and are told “Everyone else is doomed you got to go now!” the set piece is oppressive with smoke and fire everywhere to give a prevailing feeling of defeat and loss. Even the number of NPCs was set astronomically high just so you know you couldn’t save them all.
Contrast that to the Evacuation of the Undercity, where you are led by Saurfang before he catches a bad case of Sadfang. Here you’re given a relatively small number of NPCs to evacuate, but it is manageable. You even have the chance to fight against the invading Alliance to drive the point that while you may helping them flee, you are there to fight and win a battle.
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They reflect two very very different circumstances. Lordaeron was a stone edifice, not the arboreal version of the Hindenberg. And Sylvannas had prepared ahead.