Just go back to personal loot. People are avoiding LFR and other puggable activities because they just don’t want to deal with another 411 geared player needing everything and cackling as people try to gear up.
Get rid of it. It’s outdated and works off of the good nature of people. This new generation of players lack that entirely.
LFR should absolutely 100% be personal loot, but only LFR. Personal loot in regular raids is awful because groups would only allow the one or two best flavor of the week specs into raids. With group loot, the raids need class diversity or else loot will be wasted.
None of that is true. It’s works out to be the same chance as personal loot for you get something in a pug/lfr setting, but it’s way more efficient for organized groups.
It incentivizes group play while not impacting pug players. It’s a mathematically beautiful solution.
But it’s a case study in how poor communication can bring down even a good idea. People don’t understand it and you get stuff like this.
Do better, blizzard.
All of it is true. I’ve been pugging for weeks now and actively watch who rolls on pieces. Just last night, out of the 6 pieces of loot that dropped in a normal raid. Only ONE person got an upgrade. The rest went to needy people who were wearing vastly superior pieces intentionally needing for the hell of it.
Player is convinced people with high item levels are intentionally wasting their time to out of their way to ninja items. More at 1 with other posters with more boogeyman compliants.
Or for mog, or for vendor. Or whatever. They had a reason. If you assume every decision is malice, it’ll ruin how you see the world.
But that’s not a problem. In personal loot, they would have just gotten the piece and ignored the “u need?” whispers after. Same conclusion, you just get to see the roll now.
The system wasn’t designed to make sure every piece that dropped was an upgrade for someone. But neither was personal loot, so there’s that.
I already covered that reasoning.
Again, though, it has nothing to do with peoples nature.
It absolutely does. Needing on something for vendor trash, disenchanting, or transmog is basically taking an upgrade from someone that can actually use the item. It’s as simple as that. Thats the entire reason there’s a greed option.
Over a large sample size sure but with GL someone can win like 3 items from the same boss which is pretty bad
because they are just pointless and don’t give you any good gear, it’s just a story mode
It’s actually fairly useful to get a piece of loot, if there wasn’t an entire raid rolling on a piece they wouldn’t actually use. So people simply don’t do it, since the odds of winning a roll against 15 other people is next to improbable.
And yet, it’s exactly the same as the chance on personal loot.
You can’t get mad at someone for receiving loot assigned to them unobjectively. You never see complaints about people winning world boss loot over another. It’s simply random. The need/greed system was designed to help people win loot they actually NEED. In the past, the other reasons to get this loot (transmog, disenchanting, and so forth) was the entire reason you would greed an item. With the change in ideals in the wow community, and the anonymity that the group finder option allows, people can need on anything without repercussions. When in the past, people who did this would simply not be able to find a group on their server.
So you admit the only difference is visual. If they hid the roll results, it would be functionally identical.
I also disagree that there’s anything wrong with rolling need on anything that pops up, for a host of reasons. If everyone participated in the kill, everyone is equally deserving of loot.
Did the rolling change not go through where if you have equal or greater item you can’t roll need?
You can disagree all you’d like, but the fact that you would rather take something from someone that needs it more than you, is a testament to your character. Integrity is lost in this community, and it shows.
What if I’m down to my last gold piece? That vendor item could be the difference between being able to play and not. Maybe farming lfr is just how said person gets their gold.
Everyone has different circumstances and reasons to play and do what they do. Someone going for mog or mount necks is just as valid as anyone else in there.
You want to dictate who can and can’t get what gear based on some arbitrary process that makes sense to you, but not everyone there is there for the same reason.
Your lack of empathy is telling, imho.
were it not for the greed of the druids maybe you could have won. rethink the actions or history will follow the same scenario. are they too emboldened by their majesty to think they are on par with the rest of the horde. sick creatures hopefully the deer dont starve as the tusks did.
