Need Some Help Understanding TL3

I seriously doubt the three-month-old posts in the Bug Reports forum were a factor. OP has more than enough… provocative… posts in GD to warrant moderator review.

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Yup, and that’s really the whole basis of the thread - “are flags alone really enough to kill TL3”. Again, and I was upfront about this in the OP - I wouldn’t be surprised if I had some flagged messages in a 404 thread somewhere and I just didn’t get the notification. If that’s all it is then cool. Without knowing though and given the timing of how things, along with the GM response, it doesn’t seem that way.

Again, TL3 isn’t a big deal to me, I just want to be super sure that someone isn’t actually allowed to screw with someone else’s TL by mass-flagging on a bunch of alts. Instead the thread immediately turned into “I don’t like your posts get gud” instead of actually addressing the question itself.

Yes, the thread is muted, but the person who posted before and after you decided to cross-link this thread to “that” thread on GD to try to do some weird public shaming thing or something. But that’s typical with some around here.

Also, hiding your profile doesn’t hide your post history. You can just go to search, then Advanced and just enter a person’s username to see each and every post they made.

Anyways I’ll check back this evening to see if there’s a more official response. I can handle losing TL if it’s something I did, but if it was seriously just because some troll flagged a bunch of posts that were restored, then that’s screwed up.

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Something to understand about the post by Siyanati (the TL info thread) is that it was made back when the new forums were implemented several years ago. Since then, Bliz has made various tweaks to the system, most of which aren’t publically known.

So essentially, some of the info in the TL thread is still correct, however pieces of it are not. It can only be used as a general guide, not as law.

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In Humanbeaks’ defense, it’s a stickied thread. Only Blizzard can sticky threads. Can’t blame them for thinking it is “the law.”

Indeed.

Because Siyanati is just a community member like all of us, he isn’t privy to all the changes that have been made since. So unfortunately he isn’t able to fully update the thread.

In essence, the thread has aged since it was first made almost 4 years ago.

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For what it’s worth, I’m fairly positive that one player could flag a single post on each of 50 characters on their WoW license, and Blizzard would treat that as a single flag for purposes of reviewing the flagged post. As has been said many times, they’re not dumb, and it’s an incredibly basic thing for them to see and recognize a one-man brigade. It would backfire on the brigadier as abuse of the flag system.

So the idea of one player (or even a handful of players) with a grudge doesn’t appear to hold much water.

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My surprised face:

IME, this seems true.

What’s more, using multiple alts to brigade report a post is a good way for the reporting account to draw a forum vacation. (I speak from experience in this.)

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Flagging alone will not impact TL3. To impact TL 3 there needs to be an actual moderator applied account action - as far as I know.

For the OP, that is highly likely to have happened somewhere along the line. They would have received an email about it, but if it went to SPAM they might have missed it, esp if it was only a 24 hr suspension.

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People who have worked customer service understand what’s going on here (in the CS forums), what has always went on here, and it has nothing to do with ‘white-knighting’ or whatever the kids want to call it these days. It has nothing to do with me believing Blizzard is 110% right and the poster, whoever they may be, is 110% wrong.

It has nothing to do with that at all.

Folks who haven’t worked customer service or those laboring under some assumption that we regulars form a brigade of sycophants would do well to read on and absorb.

Our attitude and behavior here has only to do with what is true, what is false, and not sugar-coating an answer for the customer. If someone comes here with a false, misaligned, patently untrue idea, we will defend what is true and correct. No hand-holding.

When I worked CS, did I hand-hold? Sure, on occasion. When some eight-year-old was crying because the game they bought was too hard for them, did I exchange it, against policy? Sure. That was me demonstrating that the business I managed was not 110% right all of the time.

But when some ignorant customer came in and started banging their fists on the counter claiming that my store was some kind of fascist, racist establishment because I wouldn’t exchange the PS3 that melted when they left it in their car… well then… they got exactly the attitude that comes across here. The customer is wrong, deal with it. And deal with it they did - all the way up to and including dealing with the police and getting arrested and removed.

Virtually every single answer I see in here provided by regulars is correct. And if a regular goes off the track, the other regulars generally rein them in.

So, no, this isn’t the place where you might get your back rubbed and a nice glass of hot tea to calm your mood or frustration. That’s what friends and family are for.

Here is where you come with a complaint and get informed whether or not that complaint is valid, or superfluous. We pull no punches. If you’re wrong you’re going to be told you’re wrong and given the reasons why. I don’t know why anyone would want anything else. This is business. You get a ‘yes, you’re right,’ or ‘no, you’re misinformed,’ and then you move on.

I think I now remember you putting me on ignore in the past, so I am probably part of your world that you filter out, which is a shame, because you’re not getting an accurate view of your peers by filtering out things you don’t care for. You might find some insight in what I’ve had to say.

But then again, maybe not.

/shrug

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No I don’t have you on ignore. I vaguely remember you from the Movie forum.

Alright, cool. Sure, I remember you from there as well.

We’re probably done here unless Humanbeak has other questions.

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Mods must be on vacation or this would have already been locked. Let me summon one.

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Vrak is off today, you’ll have to put up with the panda :slight_smile:

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For clarification, we haven’t provided a public list of all of the trust level requirements. I believe the outline of trust level requirements listed by Siyanati were taken from Discourse’s website, which does not include all the requirements needed for earn and maintain the various trust levels, though they are close.

As for reports, flagging by itself shouldn’t result in the loss of a trust. That said, a moderator may agree with the report and remove the post without silencing or suspending someone.

I can see a few such posts in your more recent history, Humanbeak, which likely put you over. As far as I know they should work like other marks, in that they will expire after a time.

I hope that helps clarify things a bit. :slight_smile:

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