Need before Greed: Why causals and solo players quit

[Nanami-kaelthas]

After reading this? It’s almost like the idea behind loot being personal and not the groups meant something in shadow lands…

[Sarama-firetree]

@Ellowas-moon-guard

When causals feel like upper-level players can come into content meant for causal and solo players and deny them gear and items, the high-level players don’t even need, it really drives home the point that Blizzard/WoW don’t care about the quality of life for the everyday player who doesn’t have 5 or 6 hours to burn playing this game daily.

Speak for yourself. I’ve got no problem with anyone who participated in the fight having a fair chance at the rewards. (Especially when geared folks make all the fights a cakewalk)

[Caelin-boulderfist (Caelin)]

@Audreeana-hydraxis

These people were spending way too much time analyzing you

None of them give a damn about your performance in LFR, after all they are like having a couple bonus stacks of determination. Yeah, it is annoying as hell when I see people just ignoring mechanics in LFR and dying in the opening moments of a fight but I just shake my head and understand that it won’t really matter anyways. It is after all LFR…

[Blitzkareeg-area-52 (Blitzkareeg)]

@Gromgarr-azgalor

You want to be the judge about what access other players have to loot.

So just like the gatekeeping done in M+/Raids?

Gotcha!

[Sôsari-dalaran]

@Blitzkareeg-area-52

So just like the gatekeeping done in M+/Raids?

Sorry for wanting to bring qualified people into challenging content with our limited play time. Wait, actually not sorry for that.

[Sarama-firetree]

@Sôsari-dalaran

wanting to bring qualified people into challenging content with our limited play time

[Myzrym-area-52]

@Cäpslöck-proudmoore

Your definitions are no more applicable to me than my definitions are to you.

That’s a weird way of saying you’re arguing with people for no reason if their definitions, being valid for them, result in a reasonable complaint.

“Your definitions don’t apply to me and mine don’t apply to you but my definition should be how LFR loot is handled.” Is just a…weird take.

[Chawana-altar-of-storms (Chawana)]

@Sacrodrake-frostmourne

Losing a roll on gear is nothing new. Not even close to new. It’s been in the game for nearly 20 years at this point.

I lost healing gloves on my shaman in RFK to a rogue in Classic a year ago.

Still hate that guy.

[Ammonel-silvermoon]

With you 100 percent. If you don’t need it, why need it? That’s just immaturity at it’s finest. They roll simply to deny someone else the satisfaction of an upgrade. Then they revel in the whispers and questions in raid chat. I see it every week.

[Valshaw-stormrage (Valshaw)]

@Ellowas-moon-guard

Players geared out in Mythic + gear joining LFR to stroke their e-peen, rolling need on everything and winning is demoralizing.

The more geared player is just as entitled to loot as the low geared player, or arguable more-so because they contributed more to the boss kill. The super geared player is likely there for transmog as well. If you need gear, m0s are better for that than LFR.

[Cäpslöck-proudmoore]

@Myzrym-area-52

“Your definitions don’t apply to me and mine don’t apply to you but my definition should be how LFR loot is handled.” Is just a…weird take.

It’s closer to “Your definitions are your opinion, and therefore are only applicable to you”.

If someone is rolling need because they are allowed to by the game, that should be entirely their decision to make. You should not be able to decide weather or not someone else is allowed to roll need on an item.

[Gromgarr-azgalor]

Did you maybe quote the wrong message? Theres no way you think this somehow follows.

Also, gatekeeping doesnt exist, you can form your group right now and go into every raid you want and do any dungeon if you have the key.
If you think the key system is gatekeeping… meh…

[Cäpslöck-proudmoore]

@Gromgarr-azgalor

Also, gatekeeping doesnt exist

If we are going to get technical, you can only be gatekept in this game if you let yourself be gatekept.

[Myzrym-area-52]

@Cäpslöck-proudmoore

If someone is rolling need because they are allowed to by the game, that should be entirely their decision to make. You should not be able to decide weather or not someone else is allowed to roll need on an item.

Nobody here is able to decide that, which is why Blizz is making changes to the LFR loot system that will decide that, because they can…and are.

[Cäpslöck-proudmoore]

@Myzrym-area-52

Nobody here is able to decide that

That’s exactly my point. If someone is allowed to do something, they are allowed to do that. Anyone else’s opinion on whether or not they should do that does not matter in the context of LFR.

[Karzabzak-thrall]

Needed it for transmog. Gotta get em all.

[Gallows-korialstrasz]

No one is gatekeeping you from anything.

[Sacrodrake-frostmourne]

@Ammonel-silvermoon

If you don’t need it, why need it?

They do need it, just for different reasons than you do, but those reasons are still valid.

@Ammonel-silvermoon

They roll simply to deny someone else the satisfaction of an upgrade. Then they revel in the whispers and questions in raid chat. I see it every week.

Your persecution complex is showing mate.

[Myzrym-area-52]

@Cäpslöck-proudmoore

Anyone else’s opinion on whether or not they should do that does not matter in the context of LFR.

Nope, but it matters in the context of feedback, which is part of why the forums exist. We are not currently running LFR and telling you that you can’t roll on an item. We are giving feedback on the forums, and feedback is why changes to the loot system will roll out.

[Cäpslöck-proudmoore]

@Myzrym-area-52

feedback is why changes to the loot system will roll out.

So far the only changes I see planned for the loot system are bugfixes, but I admire your confidence on this.