I was pugging raids on beta with poorly optimized premade toons and we were stomping the place. It’s going to be far easier than people realize.
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With full pre-bis and engi these bosses will die in 2-3mns unless they buffed the living hell out of naxx
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The problem is people believing that this level of “gatekeeping” is even remotely strict or particularly elitist. In a vast majority of cases its setting a fairly low bar that is met by far more people than is needed for the actual group.
If I have 100 people trying to get in my group why would I not set a fairly easy to check bar that immediately cuts that down to the highest quality 40 people? It makes the group better with almost no negative repercussions.
Of course there are some groups that set ridiculously high standards to be met for their groups causing a lot of time loss in filling, but they are very uncommon. Most groups that have gear requirements have no problem filling and generally have a far better time in the actual raid.
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Hi, being rated is alway uncomfortable.
Join a guild with the same raiding goals as you.
If you Pug, its in the Raid Leads responsibility to ensure the raid has the highest potential to clear according to goals.
I hope you do well in Naxx GL!
Exactly - the key word in the original posters query is “requirements”. No, prebis or even close to it are not requirements. Is it wrong to have fun pursuing prebis though? Of course not. But it’s also not wrong to have other priorities provided you can still meaningfully contribute (which you can).
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Still waiting on your top 10 parse from 10 years ago.
I don’t buy this logic at all. You don’t ever have 100 people clammering in week 1 to get into one 25 man. You may get 100 people trying to form 3 or 4 groups. In that environment the sweatlords will take longer to form groups but will probably clear it faster as well. But, that’s the price for playing the way they enjoy.
So, the reality is that everyone will likely get groups, will clear the raid and will all be happy and have had fun playing their own way. Everyone wins and the zero sum scenario you paint here doesn’t exist. Prebis is not required and there’s scope for people to play the way they enjoy (within reason).
Your scenario makes more sense a few more weeks in where the critical mass of players in more uniform in progress level. Also “easy” is relative. If you have a week off work getting to 80 and prebis is easy. If you don’t and you can (or want to) only play 6 hours a week it’s not. A week into the expansion you will have a spread of people at various levels of play time commitment.
100 people is naturally an arbitrary number.
The fact of the matter is I have been part of the formation of a decent number of GDKP raids and even with our most strict requirements have never struggled to fill the raid in a timely manner.
I have also been part of a number of failed pug raids that couldn’t down KT, had to do an Illidan cleanup, or wiped in Hyjal multiple times due to bad and undergeared players.
The logic is simply that if I can easily fill my raid with players of a gear or parse level that significantly increases my chances of a smooth, fun, and fast raid then why would I ever take a second look at someone below those gear or parse thresholds?
For as easy as everyone claims content may be there are still going to be countless failed groups. We had 2+ hour Kara runs in prepatch, runs that failed to clear TK in prepatch due to failing mechanics, and many prepatch Sunwell pugs that failed at various bosses. These failures were all despite the raid easily meeting the bare minimum requirements in possibly the easiest era of pve content we’ve seen since Molten Chore.
You might want hold off on reporting because you’re the one yelling profanities.
Not “hard”, - sure.
But time consuming - very much so!
So… tell me you’re a no-lifer who does pretty nothing other than playing WoW without saying so.
parse?
i said kill
worldoflogs doesn’t exist anymore
I was on the beta as well, and even poorly optimized premade toons at least had level 80 gear, hit cap, and access to all the gems and enchants off of vendors.
To pretend they were in questing greens is doing it is simply false. It was full heroic gear with some epics, including the ring and Greatness card sprinkled in.
Will it be easy? yes. I never said it was not going to be easy.
Can a group of 25 players in quest greens do it? No I don’t think so
Should I be FORCED to take somebody who has not put in the time and work as the rest of the raid to make our COLLECTIVE raiding experience better? Hell no. And that’s the point I’ve been making this entire time. Gear is so damn easy to get, if you’re raiding this week, you should have had the vast majority of your pre raid bis… again its not NEEDED, but you should have it due to ease of access to it.
You guys keep saying “we” think Nax is going to be hard. No “we” don’t. But that does not mean we want to carry half the raid or have a turtle slow clear.
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You can practically run nax in full greens so long as you are hit capped. But unfortunately there is a strong divide between people who want to play the game, and those who produce enough sweat to be their own sauna.
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Time consuming? You do the world tour twice. In 10 days. That’s 7 hours TOTAL of game time at level 80 and you have all your rep gear, all your badge gear, and the vast amount of your drops unless you get hella unlucky, and even then, youhave 13 of your 17 pre raid items.
I don’t know in what world you think that’s time consuming. It has never been any easier than right now to get pre raid gear in WoW’s history.
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its naxx brolol
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Will you stream a run of 25 guys in all greens clearing nax? That would get a hell of alot of views on Twitch/Youtube. You should do it.
Well world first has already been bugged and completed. Literally like 5 minutes after release.
Apart from the fact that buying carries is antithetical to just playing the game.
It does absolutely nothing to earn the gold to buy the ring.
Or wait.
Do you mean when you indicated the cost of the Dala ring, you weren’t referring to the gold cost? But real-money cost?
If so then you’re a worse person than I originally thought.
But if not, apologies for the misunderstanding.
Yet it doesn’t change the fact that you need to take a serious reality-check on gaming:
- You expect people to BUY carries to gear up. (Not sure I can trust the ability of people who do in raid.)
- You’ve ignored the fact that people have to LEVEL up before they can even do the HCs.
- And you’ve still neglected to respond to my point that it takes a significant amount of time to earn the gold to buy the ring.
What in the actual hell are you even talking about?
I never once said anybody should buy carries, I never once said you needed to buy the ring, I never once said that it does not take time to level up, but it’s not that much of a time investment.
I feel like you’re having a private conversation in your own mind and word vometing it onto this forum.
Lol, if you seriously don’t understand how you sound in this thread, nobody can help you. Leveling to 80 alone will take the better part of a week or even 2 for someone only playing a few hours a night (obviously not no-lifing). Now you have gearing, sprinkle in some bad luck, and VIOLA you have someone that isn’t even close to pre-BiS TODAY let ALONE 80. You’re DELUSIONAL.
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