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I know this is all a matter of opinion.

From my experience, people who boost do not have the exercises in their job and rotations down like someone who did the exercise. It can affect your raids, contrary to what you think because you have a boosted character who has little to no real knowledge of how to play his job, jumps into a PUG and ends up at the bottom of the totem pole.

You’re not supposed to buy gold but tokens are just an extension of that. It’s adding a middleman to make it “legal”.

We live in a world where people want instant success and not do anything for it. Kids graduate or drop out of school and expect to earn the same wages that people who went to college earn. They want the government to continue extending unemployment and releasing stimuluses instead of “stimulating” themselves a job, especially when pretty much every business is hiring. People play video games and want the achievements/trophies without actually earning them… kind of like paying to sit on the bench, wearing a football jersey during the super bowl so you can wear the ring and say “look what I earned”.

People are free to pay for all carries, boosts, etc they want but we all know, a fool and his money are soon parted.

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@ Bananacity

:boxing_glove: :boxing_glove: :bellhop_bell:

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Basically its a player who plays the game as intended , progress a few weeks , a month or two vs a guy who pays gold/RMT and does it in a couple of hours maybe even 10 minutes if they are just after the end boss.

I do not see how the integrity of the game is preserved , its like getting an Olympic medal by paying others to lose or not participate.

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Yes, but why are you in competition with others over the speed in which loot is obtained? Is getting geared the fastest considered end game for some players?

I like your transmog :slight_smile:

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It should work

but it doesn’t, you’ll just look silly trying to do it lol @Bananacity

I know what I’m about. Put up yer dukes.

:boxing_glove: :boxing_glove:

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People complaining about the integrity of the game are imposing their own opinions on how the game should be played. As for all the complaints about the tokens, well the game is better off with it. Before, level 1 bots would spam chat, and die in formation to spell out a gold selling website. Keep in mind these jerks were also hijacking accounts to do so. It’s also in Blizzard’s & the game’s best interest in being to source to buy gold. It’s safer for the players & economy.

The game is designed to be played many different ways. Let other players play the way they want and let Blizzard drop the hammer if they violate their TOS.

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Those look like Santa’s mittens :laughing:

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If Blizz ever makes Sethrak a playable race you should change that character to one since the name is fitting :slight_smile:

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Alright. Time to use the third hand. I warned you.

:boxing_glove: :boxing_glove: :boxing_glove:

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:thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking:

Your right. On a personal level, for me as it were, it feels like cheating - even though technically it’s not.

Yes, I am judging people who do this and supply the means, but it’s fair play according to the rules, so carry on.

I only really give a crap because with all problems at the company, with all the issues with the game, one of the The New Guy In Charge’s first communications is “Come watch me profit off one of the more controversial things we allow in game”

It’s just blizzards tone deafness around their player base is starting to get under my skin. This topic is the current flash point.

I’d agree if the WoW token didn’t exist. The time investment vs buying a boost just doesn’t compare anymore, which is why I think people are leaving. What’s the point in putting in hard work say, in PVP, when you get dusted by some noob who spent 100 bucks to be protected by the worlds best PVP’ers? Why torture yourself with the Mythic+ grind and get benched when Michael over there spent 100 bucks just to have 15 item levels over you?

The reality is there are games out there now where there isn’t as prevalent a boosting community. It MIGHT have one, but it’s likely so small it barely impacts the overall game. Meanwhile here in WoW, you have the company President pretty much advocating for boosting, which only adds to their community and enlarges it. Time investment just isn’t the best path anymore, and that’s sad in an MMO. MMO appeal for many is about putting in time to be the best you can be, but WoW really isn’t about that anymore.

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I really don’t see the difference between boosting and multi-boxing. Other than the devs are getting in on the gold from boosting. From the prospective of how does it hurt any one else. So, I buy 3 accounts multi-box those accounts and level three toons at the same time. It’s not like those accounts are getting more gold or more drops. Where is my advantage over running with two other people. Some will say PvP, what’s the difference between me and two other people playing PvP together?

My personal opinion is that I think boosting is dumb and ultimately just hurts your ability to play your class effectively.

But honestly? I really don’t care if anyone boosts. Someone buying their way to a boss kill doesn’t somehow mean I can’t kill it on my own and it doesn’t somehow mean the boss drops less loot when I kill them with my guild group. Someone boosting doesn’t affect my play experience at all and I couldn’t care less about the “integrity” of certain achievements.

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Kind of the issue. And why it’s so annoying how many people keep insisting people who are against boosting are flat wrong because “it doesn’t affect you.”

If we all ran a marathon, designed to be run on foot, and some people decide to ride motorcycles… Maybe it isn’t in the rules you can’t use a motorcycle, but that isn’t the point. You shouldn’t be able to ride a motorcycle in a marathon.

“But people have always ridden motorcycles since the marathon was first introduced.”

And? That doesn’t make it right or wrong. If it’s wrong, that just means it’s been wrong for WAY too long.

Problem is, instead of 100 people running the marathon and 4 or 5 of them zooming by on motorcycles, now you have half the race using motorcycles and from the point of view of PvPers, they’re circling back and kicking you while you’re trying to finish the race.

We get it. It’s not against the rules. So we should just never change anything because it isn’t against the rules now? Sorry, but that’s just a dumb way to look at it.

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This is not a marathon, that is a bad analogy. A marathon has a fixed path, and a clear start & end. That isn’t the case with a video game.

This video game has multiple ways to play it. As long as it’s within the ToS it’s fine. Don’t want to boost, don’t.

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Wow, this really is the new hot topic. Okay, I’ll play.

Again.

Yes, there are several things inherently and fundementally wrong with boosting.

A) It breaks the integrity of the game.
Titles, mount, achievement are framed in the game as items to be earned, not bought. When you buy them, you are breaking the frame, and therefore the integrity, of the game.

B) It is unethical.
It’s like me paying my grandson RL money to give me Boardwalk in Monopoly. It is corrupt behaviour based on a corrupt ideology that money should entitle people to anything they want. (Which is what led to the 2019 college admissions bribery scandal.)

C) It is dishonest.
Since the in-game framing is that those items are earned, it makes it look like the buyer earned them when they did not.

D) It casts doubt on, tarnishing, rewards earned legitimately.

Now I don’t have any of those things and probably never will but that doesn’t mean I can’t look at this behaviour and see it is a corruption of the game.

And sad because if folks are willing to sell out their integrity for a title in a game, they must be easily corrupted for real rewards in RL and last thing the world needs right now is more ethically-challenged people.

And you could have just added you thoughts to this already in progress thread on the same subject:

Or this one:

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/why-do-you-get-mad-at-others-money/1116693

Or this one:

Or this one:

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