As long as the writers think that burning Teldrassil was NOT evil, then there can’t ever be a meaningful resolution or revenge.
It’s bad enough that the Horde already got absolved of everything, but when I saw that Sylvanas was whitewashed too, I don’t see any way how Teldrassil can be avenged anymore.
And somehow at the end of BfA they have already changed and were forgiven without doing anything other than trying to wipe out every single Alliance member.
It’s simple and I’ll repeat it again: Sending Nathanos to Sylvanas does NOT make up for Teldrassil, nothing less than Sylvanas will be acceptable, and this is not even a possibility so idk why we’re still arguing.
You seem to throw out that name a lot, is this supposed to be another poster here?
Yes, but only Night Elf souls so it doesn’t matter according to the writers, it’s a heroic deed apparently.
Fun fact, those souls are even getting obliterated.
Sadly Blizzard already said there wasn’t going to be any Forsaken story development for the time being, whereas Night Elves get tons of story development from Ardenweald.
A death based expansion, an entire zone themed after the Scourge, the former leader of the Forsaken is a spotlight character in the story…no Forsaken story.
Go figure.
It’s like telling a story about the Legion without including Orcs in the story…oh wait…
If i remember corectly there was posts here speculating that Sylvanas was supposed to be Garosh and turn bad.
Blood of an old god in her vains, citadel made of saronite. Wasn’t the music played when Arthas died Yogs theme?
The puzzle box was forshadoing an old god expansion? They could had spin a BfA arc thought old god coraption-manipulation.
You have posted stuff from before BfA even launched and stuff from just after BfA launched. There was nothing recent you had to show to support your delusions.
We do have this cinematic they released recently proving that they haven’t forgotten about the Night Elves or that Teldrassil is still in need of some resolution. No one at Blizzard stated “this is all you get” that’s another of your assumptions.
Except, they didn’t. That’s why Horde has lost heroes, loyalists were turned in and Horde will be going after Sylvanas.
Um… yeah. You remember how not everyone in the Horde sided with Sylvanas? That started long before the final patch.
More exaggerations.
Yet you refuse to see reality.
No one said it, including Blizzard. But you insist they have without any sort of proof besides your own assumptions, head canon and delusions.
Well, no. When Vashj went to the afterlife, she apparently took on her former Night Elf form. There’s a real thing going on when she used to be that form and took it in death (for a time) compared to forms she has never had.
Ok, so if Bwonsamdi is a Loa, does that mean if he really was killed of for real by Nathanos, would be actually go to Ardenweald? Or would he just… not exist?
I’m late to the conversation but need to clear something up. Sylvanas is not a Mary Sue. Mary Sues are the apples of everyone’s eyes.
Sylvanas is a Villain Sue.
Die anywhere but the Shadowlands, you go to Ardenweald.
Die in the Shadowlands, you Die For Real.
I think it is worth considering that Nathanos is NOT on Slyvanas’ good list as of the end of Shadows Rising. And he is going into the maw as just another soul.
If we see him again he will likely be get the Ashvane treatment, and become something horrific, a twisted into a tool of Zovval. There is also the chance Sylvanas won’t care anymore and will let him just go into Torgast to be melted down into a pair of pants.
This is my thoughts as well. Sylvanas told him not to be idle and basically find a way to kill Bwomsandi if I am remembering correctly.
My fear is that Blizzard is trying to “subvert our expectations” again and hide the fact that Nathanos DID in fact find a way to kill Bwomsandi and that is why he went to his home to get killed, that way he could go to the Maw and see Sylvanas to regain her favor.
Personally, I’d rather he starts working against her or has a road to redemption. Just because it seemed like he was having pause during Battle for Azeroth. But seems more unlikely now.
Correct, she told him to go kill Bwonsandi or don’t bother coming back at all. He replied he would be waiting for orders, and kinda skittered a way like a kicked puppy. And waiting for orders was exactly what he was doing.
Disagree. If death was the only goal, there are faster and easier ways. He wanted something else that he didn’t get. He was exiled from Sylvanas for failures. And now he is being sent back with another.
No question. But that doesn’t mean he got what he wanted.
Yes.
Where he would be have to wait for rebirth. Which would take time in the best of situations. With the drought even longer. And with what we find going on with Mueh’zala, it is likely Mueh’zala would have drained him to raise his loyal loa sooner. So, long term he would have ended up killed in Ardenweald and permadeam.
Nope. Bwonsamdi is fine. We will meet up with him in Shadowlands. Which happens after Nathanos death.
And they literally said those things after Teldrassil was burned and before, when it was set to burn.
That’s not really what they are showing, they are showing that Tyrande is crazy and consumed by vengeance, and if we don’t find a way to stop her she’ll die.
Except that loyalists were immediately forgiven if they pretended to change, and then they whisper you stuff like “for the dark lady, always” after 8.2.5.
Yea, Saurfang didn’t and he got 4 cinematics and an honorable death about what a tragedy it is that he lost his honor, not so much the genocide of the night elves though, that was alright.
What else wanted the Horde to do in BfA ? They literally burned an entire tree of civilians after already having killed a good chunk of them. They didn’t care about winning the war, they wanted the Alliance to be wiped out and to suffer as we’ve seen in the maw. And nobody cared about that in the Horde, only Saurfant cared about his lost honor.
Then prove me it will go on, because Sylvanas or the Horde are the only ones the night elves could get some justice against, and both have been absolved of their crimes.
Why should I need something else when Teldrassil just gets worse and worse as time goes on and Sylvanas keeps getting glorified for it.
They even treat the abduction of the leaders as a bigger deal than the genocide.
Sure, but it gave him one final chance to take down traitors and Alliance. Win/win.
Not to mention going down fighting is something someone of Nathanos’s stature would want. Like Saurfang. Dying in one last stand is about self-respect, dignity, and dare I say…honor.
It also makes Tyrande a war-criminal who executes defenseless combatants who have already been beaten and have no reasonable way to defend themselves. So there’s that.
Right, that’s why she spared Sira or whoever that was in Shadows Rising. That’s why she didn’t immediately attack the Horde reps that went to see her at Nordrassil. That’s why at Ice Crown she didn’t attack the Horde.
Yeah, much crazy. Totally consumed by vengeance.
Not all of them according to Shadows Rising.
To claim Kalimdor.
No, that was Sylvanas. The Horde had no idea that those who were killed went to the Maw. Also, don’t forget, with few exceptions everyone went to the Maw during BfA.
You literally have a cinematic. You refuse to acknowledge it.
Sylvanas has not. That’s why people on both sides are hunting her into the next expansion. Blizzard has never stated that Sylvanas is innocent of her actions against the Alliance. Never. You’ve got nothing.
The game still keeps telling us that she is crazy and consumed by vengeance, it just fails to portray it as the writers want it like so many other things. Since she wants revenge against Sylvanas, and Sylvanas is innocent and not evil, then who’s wrong according to blizz?
Yea, but even 1 is 1 too many.
What stopped them from doing so? They claimed Ashenvale already and the only thing that stops them from claiming Darkshore too now is the fact that Thrall and Baine are still part of the council. Otherwise nothing is in their way, especially with Tyrande set to die.
No, Sylvanas couldn’t even handle Malfurion (rightfully so) before BfA. It was the Horde.
And they still supported everything she did even after she genocided the night elves, so they were perfectly fine with it. They even fought in Darkshore and had death camps there.
The cutscene is even more proof that they see it as resolved now.
Yes she has, multiple times.
They did, multiple times. They stated that the faction war is resolved and that the Horde is innocent of their crimes (or simply did a good thing with Teldrassil like they often did in the past, paint Teldrassil as a great thing for horde players to get hyped up and cheer for) and that Sylvanas is not evil and can never do wrong.
You are just wrong and refuse to accept it, or you intentionally want to bait to keep up a discussion, I bet you said the same things about BfA and we saw how wrong you turned out and how Teldrassil was just conveniently swept under the rug.
