Nathanos pre patch cinematic (spoilers)

[Elendris-dalaran]

flips you the double-bird

[Sarm-malganis (Sarm)]

I realized that a while after I wrote it, but I still think it was something pulled out from nowhere just to kick the corpse after it was down. It’s not like Nathanos’s image needed any tarnishing to drive the point home by then.

[Elorea-tichondrius]

Blightcaller is written like a fan fic character anyway, so giving him fan fic quality writing would be normal.

[Zuleika-hyjal (Zuleika)]

@Katiera-moon-guard

No they didnt should read the book before you complain

I have no interest in reading the book, so enlighten me: are the insta-death potions mentioned in it?

Even if they are, all that proves is that Madeleine Roux remembered them.

@Cladriah-moon-guard

Thats like saying sargeras isn’t evil.

@Fythra-madoran

You know, I’m still trying to find where Blizz stated this.

Maylana is fixating on a statement made by a Blizzard dev months before BfA even started (it’s in the “I feel lied to” thread) and assuming it explains how SL is going to end, instead of being a lie to string along the fanbase.

[Argronak-queldorei (Argronak)]

I’m a long time Warcraft fan, been here since Warcraft 3.

I don’t see the beef with Nathanos coming off as a “Fanfic” character?

I thought he was ok at what he is.

[Sarm-malganis (Sarm)]

If I remember right, he made a few jokey tweets and expressed his liking the character. Since Nathanos’s characterization of “I’m so much better than everyone” is basically custom-designed to rankle feathers, people started making self-insert accusations out of it. Teldrassil and BFA’s overall story reception didn’t help matters.

[Zuleika-hyjal (Zuleika)]

@Valko-muradin

Are we doing the weird thing where we pretend Sylvanas doesn’t love Nathanos?

She used to as recently as BtS, but from what I hear SR/SL has been hard-retconning that, so I guess it just means Blizzard’s gaslighting has been successful.

@Anyaceltica-llane

This cut-scene doesn’t undo the damage of a terrible first impression. The yearlong wait has only poisoned the well.

Then I wish they hadn’t even tried to make you happy. I’ve had it up to here watching iconic Horde characters get killed off by now, and having one get sacrificed for people who don’t even appreciate it is doubly grating.

[anon95961490]

he went down like MAGA. in total denial.

[Anelaan-wyrmrest-accord (Anelaan)]

I seriously wonder why some of you play this game, or at least why you bother with the lore. It obviously doesn’t make you happy and what’s the point of a hobby if all it does is upset you?

[Dreadmoore-wyrmrest-accord (Dreadmoore)]

@Anelaan-wyrmrest-accord

I seriously wonder why some of you play this game, or at least why you bother with the lore. It obviously doesn’t make you happy and what’s the point of a hobby if all it does is upset you

Probably the sunk cost fallacy. Or someone roped them in for another go. A good buddy purchased the CE for my birthday, so I couldn’t just turn him down.

[Deathvader-gnomeregan]

@Myalison-khaz-modan

One thing that struck me when I did the quest on a Horde toon was Lor’themar’s dialogue when you hand in the quest. He says something along the lines of Nathanos having been a bully and a braggart in life and undeath only accentuating these negative traits. I don’t recall previously seeing anything that painted a negative picture of Nathanos during his time as a living human. Is this new or have I missed something?

I didn’t take it that way; then again we are lore guru so I’m sure the masses took it that way.

Blightcaller has a history with Quel’thalas. I took it as something that was personal to Lor’themar and the Farstriders not something that is universal fact. He was your favorite hero favorite hero when he was alive.

“Lor’themar Theron is a fool! He’s better suited to politics than the life of a ranger. I’ll match him shot for shot any day.” - Living Blightcaller

[Xabelis-wyrmrest-accord (Xabelis)]

It doesn’t, because the Horde fractured and we were virtually forced to join the rebels. We lost another warchief and racial leader as well as a popular character. It changed the Horde completely, so no, it wasn’t totally at the Alliances expense.

[Pellex-hyjal (Pellex)]

@Myalison-khaz-modan

Is this new or have I missed something?

I asked the same question when this hit the pre-patch, and people pointed out that there were hints of Nathanos and Lor’themar not getting along way back when Nathanos was alive. I doubt the people who wrote the quest text knew about this, since they have never shown themselves to be up on past lore before; I’m sure they were just trying to blacken Nathanos’ name. But as an in-character explanation, I like to think it’s just Lor’themar being petty for a moment. It makes him more relatable.

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/shadowlands-prepatch-spoilers/608371/232?u=pellex-hyjal

[Arlifrex-moon-guard (Arlifrex)]

Why do Star Wars fans follow anything beyond the original trilogy?

[Deathvader-gnomeregan]

@Pellex-hyjal

I asked the same question when this hit the pre-patch, and people pointed out that there were hints of Nathanos and Lor’themar not getting along way back when Nathanos was alive. I doubt the people who wrote the quest text knew about this, since they have never shown themselves to be up on past lore before; I’m sure they were just trying to blacken Nathanos’ name. But as an in-character explanation, I like to think it’s just Lor’themar being petty for a moment. It makes him more relatable.

I mean the persons would need some knowledge and background before mentioning their previous relationship. Truth is we don’t have enough interaction between the living Blightcaller and Farstriders to judge for ourselves. What we have are accounts from both of them/he say she say.

[Azighan-thrall]

Because the prequels are a meme goldmine with fantastic music and decent worldbuilding?

After that, couldn’t tell ya why I keep going. Other than Mandalorian.

[Morghel-daggerspine]

Nonsense. If the Horde dug in deep at lordaeron and the Alliance answered by blowing the whole place to bits, no one on the Alliance would have complained. It would have shown that the Alliance has teeth, and aren’t afraid to use it. A reminder that it is one of the superpowers of Azeroth that few can contend with, and none can best.
Instead, we got the whole Alliance war machine being depicted as complete idiots who couldn’t even plan for the very expected use of blight, which then ahd to be bailed out by a single sorceress. Bleh.

@Varicella-barthilas

that what you want is for him to be shown as totally without virtue.

Not entirely. Have him fight until the bitter end, knowing that he can’t win. Have him have his smugness, and his fearlessness, until the point where he dies, and in his final moment he realizes that he truly has been abandoned, and that he is going to the maw for an extended vacation.

[Gantrithor-myzrael]

@Arlifrex-moon-guard

Why do Star Wars fans follow anything beyond the original trilogy?

Because the expanded universe (not Disney) is awesome.

[Pellex-hyjal (Pellex)]

@Deathvader-gnomeregan

Truth is we don’t have enough interaction between the living Blightcaller and Farstriders to judge for ourselves.

That is true, but considering no one has ever said anything bad about living Nathanos before, my money is on it being newly invented.

What little information we’ve ever had about living Nathanos has been positive. The Alliance questgiver who sends you to investigate Blightcaller (in Vanilla) is completely shocked to find out he’s the former Nathanos Marris, whom he describes as “so noble - a ranger lord respected by all.”

https://wow.gamepedia.com/The_Blightcaller_Cometh

[Gantrithor-myzrael]

@Morghel-daggerspine

It would have shown that the Alliance has teeth

The WoT showed that the Night Elves (and, by extension, the Alliance) had teeth. That’s why they were able to slow the entirety of the Horde war machine for a long as they did with a small amount of city guards and civilians. Also it’s why the Horde lost every battle after the WoT.