Nathanos knew all along

In many ways, Nathanos is worse than Banshee Sylvanas. His monologue in A Good War is disgusting in ways beyond cartoonish mustache pulling. But I haven’t gone back to read his monologue since before the revelation to us of the Jailer.

    Sylvanas had seen what lay beyond this life. She knew what waited on the other side. What else could she do but act on that knowledge? If her actions sometimes seemed cruel, well, life was cruel. Existence was fleeting. Her plans soared over the horizon of mortality, and that frightened many.

Back when I first received the book I simply thought, “Ah, Sylvanas told him about the dark place she’s fated to if she dies again that she saw in Edge of Night.” This was before we even had a name for the Maw.

But looking at this passage again with the context we have now, he knew more than that. He knew about the Jailer.

    Tyrande Whisperwind: Where is she?

    Nathanos Blightcaller: With him, of course. In the darkest place. Along with every soul burnt to ash in your precious tree–

People were often confused then as to why Nathanos was taken aback by Sylvanas’ order to burn the tree. But that was simply because he had expected her plans to go flawlessly and did not foresee her having to act more quickly, with him having been looking forward to the following:

    Nathanos did not dream much, but he could see victory in his mind. Soon, he would stand beneath the branches of Teldrassil, walk the paths of Darnassus, and take kaldorei lives upon their own soil. All he had to do was wait. It would come to pass simply because Sylvanas had willed it.

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Do I copy and paste my responses how necromancy affects the soul, or do we skip all that and just get straight to the agree to disagree?

Would an alive Nathanos do the things that Blightcaller did hmmmmmmmm?

We need a fully restored Nathanos, and I’ll be first in line to sign that petition.

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If you wish to specify Blightcaller rather than Marris that is as precise as differentiating between Banshee Sylvanas and Ranger General Sylvanas.

The comparison was between the two monsters of Blightcaller and Banshee Sylvanas, not to who they might have been before undeath.

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We have plenty of examples of those who were raised from the undead, got back their free will and do not act like jerks and wannabe edgelords 24/7

But I guess they don’t count as you will move the goalposts as always.

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As I said, we have a lot of examples in game of people who were raised as undead and do not act like wannabe edgelords 24/7

Your opinions on these matters do not matter as we have actual counterexamples to that.

So how come undead like Darion Morgraine doesn’t act like an entitled edgelord simp 24/7 after being freed from the Lich King? Or Faol? What about the DK bromance couple, Thassarian and Koltira?

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Thanks for clarifying, you’re saying that w/e Nathanos became is worse than what Sylvanas became.

Blightcaller seems to be doing it our of whatever cursed version of love that is swirling around in his twisted soul. I would even say that the Banshee Queen’s reason is even more convoluted. Love is a lot more simpler than w/e mumbo jumbo the Banshee Queen was talking about.

Edit: I said that to say I still don’t know what the Banshee end game looked like. So I can’t determine which was worst, I don’t have all the info lol.

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Still sounds like moving the goalposts. Anything to have your boy toy and your wannabe waifu have no agency and be free from any consequences of their actions.

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AGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!

TAKE THATT!!! AGHHHH!!!

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To note, as we have seen Forsaken souls in Bastion, we don’t know that death would undo the changes to a soul affected by undeath, so there might not be any way to return Blightcaller to Marris, unlike Ranger General Sylvanas having access to methods to purge Banshee Sylvanas from herself.

However, some of the effects of undeath upon a soul are from the magic tethering a soul to the mortal plane, which dead undead would no longer be being bound to. The undead soldiers of Maldraxxus for example do not exhibit the same changes of their personalities from what they had in life. So Forsaken and other undead that are killed might actually find some relief once they arrive to the Shadowlands.

Given they not end up in the Maw, though.

Can you not delete your posts anymore? :rofl:

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Reached the delete limit. Gonna be an hour till my deletes come back

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Poor you :hearts:

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At this point we don’t even know. We thought that was the case with Sylvanas, and we have like two or three Uthers in the lore.

That’s really a horrible ending if you ask me. Getting soul yeeted, basically rewiring a soul, and then getting judged on those things that a twisted version of yourself did. Basically obliterating the original soul, now were have I seen that before?

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You are not wrong.

Ironically they probably would have been judged to worse and more cruel fates if Zovaal was still the Arbiter rather than the robot he was replaced with.

I mean, so did Deathisfinal, but it’s okay.

I don’t understand why Nathanos would side with the Jailer. I’m still waiting for Blizzard to explain why Sylvanas thought remaking the universe was a good idea.

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