A slight undershoot 
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Well, I havenāt read everything to keep up with the discussion but I just wanted to say that I wish thereād be 10man raids for the top difficulty (Mythic in this case) again. That or somewhere around 10-12 players would be pretty good, but not flex.
My hot take:
After the Hall of Fame closes, they should add a toggle-able boss debuff that reduces their damage and health by 50% so that more casual guilds can clear the mythic raid content. Mythic raid engagement has been falling every tier, this might be a way to bring it back up.
No.
Thatās no longer āmythicā in any reasonable sense of the word.
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I wish people would understand that the bosses are the content, not the loot. Thereās no point in āclearing the contentā if the content is nuked beyond recognition. The nerfs and 18% damage/healing boost are already pushing the boundary, if not over it.
Farming mythic loot from target dummies isnāt āclearing the contentā.
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Those who still holding on to the āguildā concept are oblivious to the fact that times had change.
Most players these days do everything by themselves, from grinding, repair cost and acquired highest gear.
Then you run into guilds that post announcements such as āwe looking for the best ā without contributing one bet to the progress of that player
Me personally donāt know how some players put up with guilds. Itās a concept that no longer works in modern gaming
They all need to be replaced by hubs, just like mythic+ and Lfr , but most meet certain requirements before a player can participate in that particular hub to achieve the highest gear
Guilds arenāt a carry service.
Ideally, you find a guild of similarly skilled people, and improve at the same pace.
Me personally donāt know how some players put up with guilds. Itās a concept that no longer works in modern gaming
Mutually beneficial goal. We group together. Guild function makes it easier to do stuff in game.
Iām a solo player and got more gear than you! HA!
Glad you had found happiness watching āguildiesā getting gear more than you 
There isnāt a single player in the world who does anything meaningful in the game alone.
Many of us arenāt self centered and anti social, so that helps a great deal.
Thereās no part of the game that isnāt better with an organized team of players cooperating to reach the same goals. Iām sorry you donāt understand that and havenāt experienced it.
Certainly not on that character.
639, pretty much as best as could be. (Technically, lacking one item.)
Gear is a means to an end.
I am circling this conversation back to the original points. To fix the Mythic Raid, here is what Blizzard needs to do:
- Leave the Mythic raid āas isā until the end of Hall of Fame.
- After HoF is locked in, patch the Mythic raid to be a FLEX 10-30 raid like Heroic and Normal.
- After HoF is locked in, remove raid lockouts and deploy boss lockouts like Heroic and Normal.
Having the raid stay competitive until the Hall of Fame closes will still keep the core 20m instance as it is today for your RWF and HoF guilds, while allowing less competitive or small guilds access to that content without sacrificing the rigidity of the competitive structure.
And also ā yeah remove Valorstones OR just simply UNCAP them!
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Like it or not, getting gear is the only thing that motivates some people to log on at all.
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Many of us arenāt self centered and anti social, so that helps a great deal.
of course, thatās what the queue system is for, same can be accomplished without the need to be in a guild.
I had experience it in many levels, guilds come and go. Had meet great people that are no longer around. But nowadays, guilds are not what they used too, if you read his pos, youāll see that his guild like most guilds these days donāt help anyone in their journey, but long and behold his group of tie friends have the best gear. Then, whatās the point??
Whoever wants to be part of a guild, be my guess, personally I have zero problem. We(solo players) want options to acquire same end game gear. Even if it takes a whole lot longer than those who definitely would get it faster if you are part of that tie Nitch.
Note: I would no longer hammer these issues but will read replies, already spoke my peace.
Then ask blizzard to make more complex and challenging solo content.
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Iām Kaercha and I support this message.
10-30 sounds like itād utterly break most mythic raid bosses, so maybe a bit less on either side at least initially until bliz get a handle on how theyāre going to design / scale things.
Otherwise sure, I mean the boosting scene would quadruple in size but maybe thatās just fine.
It would not take much effort, as CEO of a game dev/design company I can tell you that all they would need to do is add the hit point modifier to the existing raid. And once they do it once, they can rinse and repeat the process for all subsequent raids. They would do that along with Normal and Heroic tuning and just save it there until HoF closes, then patch it in. Youād be amazed at how easy some of this stuff is, code wise. Remember that game dev joke in the 90ās? āJust one line of code!ā ā weāre not too far off for most things in this game. The problem is when there are too many āone line of codeā scenarios yeah. But if it fixes the Mythic Raiding situation that is basically KILLING THE GAME, it should be done.
I think the boosting might increase, but that means that demand would decrease. It would possibly even lower to a minimal amount since most people would now have regular access to it. And hey if Team Liquid and Echo and all those guys can sell boosts for gold, Blizzard must not be too concerned with it.
Ok so this is just a drastic over simplification. Letās take a fight like Kyveza as an example and make it 10 man.
Kyveza has a few very simple hard hitting mechanics and on mythic is designed around players using defensives and externals to survive large hits whilst executing a dance. 5 people are targeted with the core mechanic each time not including tanks.
You canāt scale the number of targets down because the fight mechanics revolve around there being 6 portals, also reducing portal numbers reduces the orbs you need to dodge drastically reducing difficulty.
This means you have 5 extremely hard hits spread between 8 people, 3 times in 100 seconds. The first deliberately prioritising ranged. This means nearly everyone is going to be targeted at least twice, possibly three times by a mechanic that requires an external or personal defensive unless severely over geared, this is clearly not feasible
Then thereās the intermission, where space management and playing around your teammates overlapping lines is a major aspect of the difficulty. Half the players in the same amount of space trivialises that aspect of the encounter.
Thatās one of the simplest mythic encounters weāve had in years and even scaling that is significantly more complicated than just a health slider. Mechanics become significantly easier, harder, or fail to function entirely when allowing for such drastic shifts in party size.
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Mage Tower level solo content would be the BARE MINIMUM to justify Great Vault Mythic track.
At the very least you would have to demonstrate interrupting, kill order, CC and damage/healing for several minutes nonstop on a level beyond just absurd damage like in Delves.
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And what I am telling you is that itās not as hard as you think and they ALREADY DO IT for Heroic and Normal raids. They would just add that workload into the sprintā¦ size it (just like they do today for normal/heroic) and have it available to patch after the close of HoF.
Having both a preset 20m Mythic raid for those that do RWF and compete for HoF spots is necessary to keep competitive raiding going AND then allowing the rest of the 92% of the population access to that content in a way that is feasible for them to have a shot as completing the instance and getting CE.
Go look at % of completion for Mythic NP, itās like ~8%.