Mythic Plus is harder AND less rewarding, in other words simply NOT FUN

The aesthetics on TD make me like it even though it’s buggy, same with Warcrest Manor in spite of floor/wall pulling. Some dungeons are just worth the hassle for me.

If Goblins are heavily featured in the next raid/season, it would not surprise me if we get the Motherlode as an M+

Tol Dagor was not too bad.

King’s Rest was hard but not impossible.

Shrine can forever die in a fire. They had to gut that dungeon so many times you lost count, had to tune the thrash and bosses constantly and it was very difficult to time it properly. It can never return. Everything about it was awful.

Motherlode was alright.

Motherlode is a pretty good candidate to return. It is a dungeon a lot of people liked, and a bunch of the things people didn’t like about it are now gone (was a terrible dungeon for sanguine and bolstering for example).

Motherlode would be a welcome return, as would Vault of the Wardens.

Hi.
I started with delves for at least the first month or so of TWW. I was only doing solo content. I got up to around 605 and pushing 610 with delves + vault rewards.

At around 609 I tried PUGGing Heroic Palace (some Norm Palace also). I started to progress that and got a lot of upgrades that way (+ 619 vault rewards).

I started to play M+ for the first time after that. Not so much for the gear at first, but the challenge. I am only now at the point of succeeding in +8-10s. The last two weeks I’ve passed over the +10 vault reward (only had one each week). My gear score is 623.

I am pretty casual, just use the LFG tool and met a couple decent folks to play with. I am at the point of delves being sort of reward-less. Now M+ is my focus. I don’t think I’ll get into much Mythic Raiding, just clearing heroic.

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You can get a higher gear score by doing heroic palace and forgo M+ if you so choose. It’s fun! I think M+ gives you the sense of accomplishment when you do win. Just like my first queen kill in heroic.

I do see the issue with getting gilded crests, tho. It appears we are forced to do +8 or higher and the last two bosses of Palace heroic.

Don’t worry it’s also a terrible dungeon in a static. I hate this dungeon with a passion.

ML was kind of a fun dungeon, which I know is a controversial opinion. Would probably require some changes to work with next season. This dungeon in BfA consists of a lot of big pulls, and with more and more classes being target capped, and the design philosophy being smaller pulls, have fun bodypulling half the dungeon because it’s a tight fit.

City of Threads is the lowest number of runs by a good margin (source). City of Threads is a poorly tuned, boring, terrible designed dungeon, and fully deserves every ounce of hate it gets. Nobody wants to go there besides for a score, and they have completely forgotten about that dungeon. City of Threads should have got more nerfs month ago but Blizzard doesn’t do anything about it.

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The data doesn’t include the group disbanded, City of Threads would have a very very low completion rate by a thousand margins if the data includes the group disbanded. I am considering having City of Threads on my worst top 10 M+ dungeons of all time.

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Oddly enough I have 3 +12 timed dungeons of which 1 is City of Threads. Does this mean I can easily time all the others as well? :grin:

I’ve been trying to finish 12s, but SV and GB have been the most elusive.

Absolutely this. If you don’t get ahead right away, it becomes 10x harder to stand out in a crowd of applicants, and attempt to break out of the ocean of people who didn’t push hard those first couple of weeks. And if you’re in a more social guild like me where most don’t push keys, “Sorry guildies, I’m going to be pretty absent and ignore all of you for a few weeks while I spend all my in game time trying to push score.” I get that it’s just the nature of the beast, but it’s something that’s been an annoyance to me as well.

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It’s definitely the worse for DPS. As a healer and to a lesser extent as a tank I have found I can start a season whenever I want versus A DPS to a certain extent.

Its harder to get into 10s, they are far too hard from how they were and the only way to get mythic track gear. Groups constantly have healers leave, groups break. These affixes that kill 15 sec a death and full of one shots ARE NOT FUN!

This has been so frustrating Im just so freaking over this damn season. Hate it, worst season.

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It is also a bit of a shock if one follows say path A but the standard is, shall we say, path B and Path A works for the one that follows it, but trying path B ends up in failure.

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or tonight 10 CoT the pats were all wonky literally cut us off from being able to go anywhere for long stretches of time and adds yellow aggroing and attacking… Takes little to nothing to fail a key. Its not fun. This is the first season I’m just over it.

Mine was 10 DB, for the LTs, I usually go church (through the front door), house, inn then clear the square for boss so I can treat him as a clock, me in front (at what would be 12 o clock most of the time) the rest of the group on his butt at 6 o clock, and in the direction of the gate for the orb to go down.

The Disc priest healer decided to have me go the “standard way”, which does not clear the square due to mob count, but it does not give me comfortable room to keep out of orb radius nor the ability to easily see adds I need to pick up. Guess what happened because healer had to try and force me to do a route I had never done before.

As a bonus mention, this was AFTER I had said I was new to 10s

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aye…the 10 dawn we had tried earlier the high Io shammy healer was high because they were enhancement main and their healing was eh… this whole day has been bad in game for me and RL loss of a friend just has made today one I just am sick of the frustration. A game is suppose to be fun. I’m not having fun. I guess time for a break.

This is not at all true. List your own 10 and you’re going to get great players looking to fill their vault. Push your own key. Do it during peak hours. Be picky about who you let in. Add some people who perform well to your friends list (look at kicks and mechanics not just DPS). Join a guild with similar goals. Persevere.

As long as your key is Ara-Kara, Dawnbreaker, Mists or Grim Batol. If your key is City of Threads, Stonevault or Siege of Boralus then reroll your key. You won’t make a group for City of Threads, Siege of Boralus and Stonevault.