Mythic Plus is going in the Wrong Direction

[Donystan-emerald-dream]

Honestly there is enough in the game now at max level for casuals to not even bother with m+.

I will never enter that trash pile again as long as blizzard keeps adding enough casual content. And even then I would rather just play another game.

[Henceforth-area-52]

@Gneusch-zuljin

It takes 5 seconds to copy paste a RIO link

Are you seriously trying to teach me how to check the IO?

That is not the problem. You’re really out of touch here.

[Dracarian-medivh]

I don’t know if you’ve heard or not but apparently, according to all of the responses on the forum, there’s nothing wrong with mythic plus and everything wrong with the players who can’t do it.

[Merpish-area-52]

@Brewa-hyjal

I still don’t get it.

If +8s are too hard because somebody is a self-proclaimed casual player… why don’t you just do lower keys?

Lotta people want the best stuff in the game but don’t want to put in the effort required to actually acquire it.

Its easier to ask for content to be brain dead while rewarding the best stuff than to look up a class guide.

[Pacard-earthen-ring]

Alot of the naysayers that you read in this forum are the ones who want to sell you runs for gold or IRL money. I think that is a big factor in why the punishing difficulty is having so much friction being changed.

[Gneusch-zuljin]

@Pacard-earthen-ring

I think that is a big factor in why the punishing difficulty is having so much friction being changed.

Okay Alex Jones.

[Carstine-frostmourne]

@Captcalico-arthas

It’s bad enough to have to wait to be chosen for a key but spending two hours to complete one key is not respectful of my time.

Then why, pray tell, did you spend 2 hours completing one key that could be done in 20-25 minutes? You’re the one “disrespecting your time” here.

[Akston-area-52]

No one is entitled to BIS gear for merely existing

[Tìnkertank-westfall]

Or maybe it is time for them to admit that M+ is just a Last Starfighter to find their e-sports crowd and some people should not compete.

[Skoja-bleeding-hollow]

It sounds like you’re just not very good but want the best item level rewards. If you can’t do a M8, you won’t be beating mythic raid bosses.

If you want the best loot, get better.

[Skoja-bleeding-hollow]

What one shot mechanics? Can you name one please?

[Toshindo-shadow-council]

@Marsage-bleeding-hollow

I’m always going to find it ironic that people say “Oh, this content shouldn’t be PuG-ed” in an MMORPG of all games.

Didn’t ya know, MMORPG is the ultimate acronym. It’s infinitely applicable, explicitly to whatever argument you are trying to make.

• MMO - DUH means lots of people stop soloing!
• MMO - DUH means lots of people, soloing exists within that!
• MMO - DUH you have to group with friends to make content work!
• MMO - DUH you should be able to pug anything!
• MMO - DUH empty worlds exist because everyone is out doing everything!
• MMO - DUH worlds should be full and busy because of people!

[Toshindo-shadow-council]

@Henceforth-area-52

I mean, whomever thought of assigning to the healer the responsibility of preventing the tank buster damage is nuts. It should be a tank-only interrupt mechanic like Mists. Anytime you leave the survival of the tank in the hands of someone else it is over. If the tank dies, it is the tank’s fault, so you have to rotate your cds perfectly and hope you have enough damage to kill the boss until you run out of cds.

This is quite literally what the healers on the forums screamed and begged for before the expansion came out. This is in large part why there was the big tank nerf during the PTR testing right at the end. Healers BEGGED for tanks to lose their agency, and this is what we now have as a result.

[Allendor-hyjal]

@Morgi-gundrak

the INFINITELY SCALING SYSTEM’S difficulty should be mechanically complex and annoying to deal with, probably because it makes them feel big when they can talk down and call it a “skill issue” when others don’t find it fun.

M+ is mechanically easier than it’s ever been. We used to have a bunch of different mechanical affixes on top of the dungeon mechanics. Now we have only one mechanical affix per week.

[Toshindo-shadow-council]

@Gneusch-zuljin

Imagine the level of entitlement you must possess to make a forum post saying “hey I’m bad at your game and you should change everything to make it easier for me” lmao

That’s like going into the 100m sprint at your local college and asking the refs to break the other peoples legs because you can’t keep up.

It’s more like joining an athletic club and then having a proper expectation that by paying your monthly fee you will have flexible options with how you spend your time and sign up for events.

I swear, folks with respect to M+ and it’s “competitive (lol) nature” get this huge arrogant perspective, and seem to forget this is a) a game, and b) something that we as customers pay for. If you want your little M+ to be the end-all-be-all pillar, then it’s going to need to be more flexible to the paying customer base, or it’s going to wither on the vine and die.

[Henceforth-area-52]

@Toshindo-shadow-council

This is quite literally what the healers on the forums screamed and begged for before the expansion came out. This is in large part why there was the big tank nerf during the PTR testing right at the end. Healers BEGGED for tanks to lose their agency, and this is what we now have as a result.

Tanks should be self-sufficient (healer’s help is welcome tho), and healers should focus on:

1. Healing party
2. Support empowering spells (similar to aug)
3. Damage (to empower healing, empower their supporting spells, restore/gain resources).

[Kaelas-malganis]

You absolutely did not kill hlk in a pug during wotlk, you didn’t even kill it in a guild.

[Caffeinism-tichondrius]

Honestly any issues with m+ would entirely be solved by keys not depleting. You can at the very least just get up and go again without having to re-form, run the lower key and then likely not get the key you want if you time your “punishment” run.

I don’t know why they still have depletes.

[Pyri-shadowsong]

@Myzary-arthas

A tyrannical 8 if you don’t interrupt the cast on master mechanics it basically one shot the group.

maybe if everyone is in 595 gear?

personally in that case i would simply interrupt it.

[Fauxstrasza-stormrage]

We should remove tanks because no one should depend on someone else to play the game in order to play.

DPS can get by without healers to a degree.

Tanks can too to a degree.

No one can get by without a tank.