Mythic Plus in WoW: A Call for Systemic Change

Blizzard has influenced the players with the lack of accessibility now.

People are hooting and hollering about welfare epics and gear being handed to you, but literally in all the Classic expansions you had badge vendors. If you invested time in into the game, no matter what level of content, you were allowed to collect good loot.

Now in WoW, you can invest 5 hours into M+ and get literally nothing. People are trying to argue against this somehow, hence the Twilight Zone feeling.

“Hurrr durr M+ is the loot pinata, this is the cliche, I must repeat this!”

I literally don’t have a single person on my btag that I do anything with. lol

No new gamer in the market picks WoW because Blizzard does an awful job of marketing themselves, the practice of charging a monthly sub to play a game you paid for is archaic, and zoomers don’t have the patience to do all the grinding you have to do to full experience the game. Not to mention the gargantuan barrier to entry of dealing with a galaxy of abilities when most games have like 5-6 buttons.

Because you aren’t asking to make grouping easier, you’re asking to denature the experience of an online world based on isolated incidents, that furthermore are put into record by people who could be mistaken, or liars.

Truth. I make so much WoW gold selling carries. My Shaman Scrooge McDuck dives into a vault of coin on a nightly basis.

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Source : Trust me bro

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and yet loot rains from the sky like never before.

And no, people not getting their two best secondaries on an item, doesn’t mean they received nothing.

We have week 1 catalyst, token, and that’s two piece within week 1.

I ran M+ yesterday, merely trying to get 4 dungeons, I failed all the keys and got nothing.

“Loot raining from the sky” isn’t happening for me. Also “loot raining from the sky like never before” in what world? It rained from the sky in Vanilla TBC, maybe you were just in diapers farting in your crib back then? Welfare epics was coined in TBC. Diaper problem?

I don’t care about catalysts and tokens, that stuff is a joke when you realize in Vanilla WoW you could raid in PVP gear, like blues. You could step into Kara with blue PVP gear and arena was a participation trophy back when TBC launched.

My god how this game has fallen.

Try doing keys on a lower level, where you can actually complete the keys.

I don’t care about catalysts and tokens, that stuff is a joke when you realize in Vanilla WoW you could raid in PVP gear, like blues. You could step into Kara with blue PVP gear and arena was a participation trophy back when TBC launched.

My god how this game has fallen.

So you’re saying they should make welfare epics blue, got it.

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Nope, you don’t have reading comprehension.

And nope, lower keys are worse and it’s not about the key level, it’s about the group, nice try at a stealth insult though.
Why do you want to go on ignore also? Can’t you post without insulting people?

Your group sucked, you didn’t even complete the key. This is Blizzard’s problem how? Besides, isn’t BRD in classic supposed to take 10 hours?

Yes, I feel this really hard. As someone who doesn’t need flightsones, gear, aspects, etc, the only other thing I would have left is to progress my IO/score. Getting +5 at 3300 IO takes either hours or days. This type of inconsistency shouldn’t be a part of the game design.

It’s quite elementary to think that there’s no single human capable of doing this such great thing, that people have been doing for the past 100 years.

Thanks for proving my point. This is the problem. There’s no reason to. I have tons of friends from key runs, but have I ran more than 1-2 times with them? No. Why? Because the system is flawed, not because we don’t want to.

How am I asking to denature the experience? Please elaborate, as my main topic is solely based on addressing group formation and team continuity.

You said a bunch of crap about loot raining from the sky, now you’re “pivoting” towards “this is Blizzard’s problem how?” uhhh, it could be dozens of reasons, but that wasn’t my point.

You’re pivoting into ignore territory.

Idk, grouping with friends and timing keys within a single try sounds better than solo pugging for six hours… or maybe your friends are causing you to fail for six hours.

You have to actually do activities that reward gear, but gear is plentiful. You didn’t do said activities. Compare your lack of gear to someone finishing 30x +2s in the same amount of time.

Friends, “your group”, blah blah blah, don’t wanna hear it anymore, especially in a thread that was created to help out people pugging.

Just go talk to your friends then, why are you even posting here. Ignore list.

idk, I’m not the one that’s trying to ask Blizzard to create an entire system just to avoid playing with or making friends.

I’ve read you moaning for the past hour about failing keys that were entirely your fault, telling/threatening to put people on ignore, and then referring to them in pretty unflattering ways (so n so was burping and farting in their crib, etc.) only to act as if you’re some kind of a victim.

What’s your deal?

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How do you know that? Welcome to the ignore list.

Look, it’s simple. Post coherent, non lies and non assumptions and non fallacies. It isn’t hard.

Because I’ve never in my entire life failed 4 keys in a row. I do a pretty decent job of vetting people, and try my best, and I’m no one special.

Darn, being able to engage you was going to be such a boon for me in the future. This one stings.

This makes no sense. You’re proposing there’s a greater need for premade groups in a world where a ‘social currency’ system magically vets all players for you?

This is the ‘world’ of warcraft, not M+ portalcraft. I prefer to do my own experiencing.

Otherwise emotionally damaged people like the ignore-crazed Druid will be labeling everyone they group.

Okay, let’s hear your credentials.

The lack of self awareness.

Except you arent explaining how its the same. And you are ignoring the steps needed to get that data.

You never seem to have a point

At least you are consistent.

“Someone doesnt blindly agree with whatever nonsense I state?!? Ignored”

Weird how you dont hold yourself to this same standard.

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Either you’re causing the failure point, or because you don’t know how to find the good groups, and end up failing too.

Your highest timed is a +18, and my alt didn’t enjoy that level of failure. Certainly, not to the point of four in a row. With just a 449 ilvl. (Which did time a 18 BRH.)

Love that ignore feature. Really brightens up the forums. :grinning: