Mythic+ not in a good place

[Eluniel-silvermoon]

I mean to be frank, it is called mythic+, emphasis on the +.

It should be as hard as mythic raiding or harder.

[Snozex-area-52]

@Argorwal-ysera

I did an Uldaman where somehow both Ret paladins in the group had 1 interrupt each the entire dungeon. It was impressive to be that low.

Did a 9 neltharus where the pug tank wasn’t moving boss into chains.

Wiped twice when after the second pull we were breaking the chains and he got mad we broke them and left the group.

[Myzrym-area-52]

@Eluniel-silvermoon

It should be as hard as mythic raiding or harder.

Things that drop ilvl 3 higher than a normal raid should start off harder than mythic raids? Seems backwards but ok.

[Sabbia-moonrunner (Sabbia)]

@Budokon-tichondrius

It’s crucial for the enjoyment and longevity of Mythic+ dungeons that the difficulty strikes a balance, challenging players without overwhelming them to the point of frustration.

The only people this is overwhelming are people that struggled on anything under a +10 last season. More than likely they have no clue Blizzard shrunk the key levels lol.

[Totembread-aerie-peak]

They could nerf vdh…or they just give other tanks alot more control, like raz for bear also being a half second knock down every 10 seconds, demo shout for warrior also being an aoe kick, abom limb having a 1 min cd for blood and 2 charges but doing half damage.

[Eluniel-silvermoon]

I’m sure they’ll patch it sooner or later, VDH will get nerfs and the others will get buffs. might not take VDH out of the meta but it’ll make it closer.

[Snozex-area-52]

@Hpellipsis-whisperwind

Eh, as someone who does play for title every now and then the state of vdh the last two seasons exceeds the state of any other tank prior. It’s not just the ability to physically handle the pulls which is all dk and druid really had going for them in their respective seasons, this is a level of move control hitherto unseen.

Bringing chaos brand for spriest/firemage/Aug puts it ahead as well

My guild main tank is playing vdh this season for the first time and he said it’s super strong op but it’s the most fun he’s had.

[Eluniel-silvermoon]

+2 is not harder than mythic raids but high level keys should be harder or equally hard as mythic raids. (Keys that are 20-25+ depending on the balance)

[Jelincic-kelthuzad]

OR, hear me out! You and other friends who have time, try to gear up and help the rest of your premade composition when you play m+2. Simple solution isn’t it?

[Hpellipsis-whisperwind (Hpellipsis)]

@Totembread-aerie-peak

They could nerf vdh…or they just give other tanks alot more control,

No they really should not do that. A good vdh literally removes the need for anyone else to press anything but damage buttons (Even often the healer) for the first 45~ seconds of every single meaningful pull.

[Myzrym-area-52]

I didn’t say they were it just seemed from reading what you said that it was implied that they should always be harder than mythic raids. Meaning should start there.

[Kaercha-area-52]

It might get said a lot, but it’s rarely true. Everyone thinks whatever their pet project issue is at the moment is the most important thing ever. As a guardian enthusiast, for example, it was great when Mage+shadow+aug were the thing because it dovetailed so well. For the first 10 weeks of the second half of season 2, anyway. Or when pally overtook warrior as damage got nerfed and keys started being about survival.

There’s no synergy with DH. They just have all the tools. No need to build a comp that doesn’t DR itself or has complementary buffs. They just have all the entire shelf open to them.

[Eluniel-silvermoon]

That’s fair. Sorry I didn’t explain more clearly. But yes I meant that higher keys maybe even 15+ should be similar in difficulty to a mythic raid (but sort of like a small mini mythic raid)

[Totembread-aerie-peak]

I mean, yes, tanks being able to help themselves (from a pugging standpoint) is AMAZING.

[Myzrym-area-52]

That makes perfect sense to me! Thanks for clearing up my confused face. If it’s dropping mythic raid level loot it should definitely be presenting a comparable challenge.

[Hpellipsis-whisperwind (Hpellipsis)]

@Totembread-aerie-peak

I mean, yes, tanks being able to help themselves

Tanks can help themselves, that’s fine and I think the rotational gameplay of vdh / bdk is generally pretty great. However VDH currently prevents trash mobs from interacting with the group at all.

If you have sigils ready you just pull 4-5 packs at once and AoE them down, none of the mobs will even do anything because the DH has 7 AoE stops ready to chain together.

[Slotmachine-sargeras]

Wait till War With in S1 when everyone is gonna be in heroic gear or less lmao

[Onivoker-zuljin]

They’ve had them all expansion, why is it suddenly a problem? like, what changed?

@Slotmachine-sargeras

Wait till War With in S1 when everyone is gonna be in heroic gear or less lmao

Considering we went in at 460 and heroic gear is 476 i really don’t think that’s a problem

[Hpellipsis-whisperwind (Hpellipsis)]

@Onivoker-zuljin

They’ve had them all expansion, why is it suddenly a problem?

They got a rework in amirdrassil that gave all their sigils 2 charges (So that’s 3 extra AoE stops for nothing), they also became a lot more tanky with S3 set and some defensive changes.

[Slotmachine-sargeras]

@Onivoker-zuljin

heroic gear is 476 i really don’t think that’s a problem

Yea but your not gonna grind all slots to 476 are you ?