the ones that do run them do it for fun most likely 
i cant get any upgrade from them at the level i run them rn and im capped on the crests. still do it.
i dont know if i do it for fun or the score… that’s another question.
Are they?
Over rewarding XP, so you do them leveling up on your main and alts.
Over rewarding gear for end chest, so you do a bunch more to get gear once you hit level cap.
Over rewarding on vault, so you’re doing a bunch every week on every alt you want to gear.
It’s less engaging than Torghast but incentivized even more. It’s going to burn people out quick… I’m so sick of running them, but they’re just so much quicker at everything than the rest of the game.
You’ll get your “Equity” just in time to see everyone vote with their feet.
Diversify your portfolio
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I think the worst part is if you do enjoy doing M+, you also want the same things that people choosing to do delves over M+ want: the community to be less toxic.
I’m sure even OP probably wants that too, but now we all have to suffer for it because a small minority of turds have turned people off from wanting to do it anymore and now they have alternative content to do instead, and now it’s harder/takes longer to find PUG groups for keys as a result.
We’re all suffering because of a tiny minority of toxic jerks OP, not because delves give decent rewards.
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Can we upgrade our heroic delve gear without crests from mythics?
you’re mixing “community” with “pugs” here. what community are you talking about?
there are 1,392,464 runs on io, and the last up there did a +2 in 34 minutes
at rank 944,416 is the first 1 star +3 run at mists in 30 mins
so that’s about 1/3 of all logged runs only doing a +2
the midpoint of all runs is about a +4 one star.
Compared to past seasons that’s far more people engaging in M+ and getting higher, sooner. In ShAmBlEs
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Wrong already.
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Delves are meant to be hard for solo players and the rewards fit that challenge. M+ has just owned the spotlight long enough that people who enjoy that way of playing see it as unfair that delves garner the rewards they do.
If people would look at this in another way, they’d be less upset. You can run delves to build your gear up to that mid-mythic level, and never have to concern yourself with lower tier mythics. It’s not a bad way to go and will see m+ folks geared for higher tiers faster than they would have been just running lower mythics.
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Honestly? It’s always been the worst choice lol. It was just the worst choice with the highest payout before.
I think the devoted and obsessed M+er is getting a taste of the medicine that M+ gave to raiders. So it’s really not that big of a deal. It’s just another adjustment to be made.
Yep, it’s precisely this. M+ is just feeling what M+ made raiding feel.
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they are easier and more rewarding, they just cap at around m5-6.
they’re not hard for solo players and point me to any point in history where doing an hour of trivial solo content has added up to getting 616 heroic raid gear
I’ll point you to this week. Because this is the reality now.
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no it’s not.
nobody pushing m+ sees any disparity aside from the difficulty it takes to gear in them versus how easy it is to get 616 out of delves.
it’s 100% blizzard making sure people do delves as the “hot new gamechanging playstyle.”
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waiting to see what you’re talking about, you forgot the part where you point me to the activity. the only activity in the history of wow to do this is delves
Raiders don’t see a disparity aside from the difficulty it takes to gear in M+ as opposed to how difficult it is to clear and gear in mythic raids either.
It’s just another adjustment that we will all acclimate ourselves to eventually.
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of course it’s the worst option, just look who you have to deal with.
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wut? yet to see someone in a m +2 get one shot. did maybe 80-100 runs so far this season on a few different classes. my runs have been all +2 to +6 so far. yet to see someone get 1 shot by a boss unless they were standing in a 10+ million damage slam.
but i did see people get 1 shot in delves. so get off what ever you are on.
is it gear you want? harder content? easier content? like what are you whining about here? if you want mythic gear run some +10’s or mythic raid. if you want champion gear run some delves or normal raid. if you want some heroic gear run some heroic raid.
whats all the bawling about?
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What bosses are one shotting people and what kind of gear did they have? I mean I’m a warlock and not getting 1 shot if the tank dies in higher keys.
Also it’s the worst option for what? Gearing up? What about crests used for upgrading gear and enchanted crests? You also didn’t mention raids or the other options besides those two.
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this doesn’t make any sense, i’m not sure what your point is. delves give you 616 gear in 1 hour solo.
comparing that to challenging small group play being at raid level after many hours of full group progression isn’t even similar.
… you do know they hold m+ tournements right? That is an e-sport.
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Delves are trivial content with poorly scaling loot. Increase the difficulty by adding more mechanics, especially those with challenging overlaps. Reduce the rewards up to tier 8 but make them keep scaling.
Take M+ and make it scale up to max myth track, or add a deterministic currency system similar to bullion only gated behind skill.
Nerf the second half of the raid on mythic so guilds don’t have to reprog farm content.
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