Well Ion did mention that they are going to be revamping the raid gearing system but we would have to wait for 9.1 for that to happen. Hopefully he didn’t forget that…
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Stop trying to start at the end of a patch and you will have better luck.
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Um… same thing with mythic+. Gear drops stop at 210, meanwhile vault is 226. I don’t get your point here.
Again, same thing with mythic+ except it’s io instead of aotc. Your points are becoming non- points.
Mythic+14/15 is more difficult than normal and heroic Castle Nathria. Where do you get this “less difficult” idea from?
Mythic Castle Nathria drops 226 and 233 in addition to the vault. Mythic+ only drops 210 and 1 chance per loot a week at 226.
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I think his point was that there is only a difference of 13 ilvls for raid tiers. So if you are a Heroic raider who unlocked the Heroic vault options, you are only going to get something in the same ilvl tier as the content you defeated. Unlike mythic+ which unlocks rewards 17 ivls above the content reward you were doing. It would be like heroic raiders getting access to mythic raid gear in their weekly vault.
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If Mythic was scalable to 15 players it would be much more attractive. 20 is aggregious. Yes the extra 5 players does make a difference in how difficult it is to build and maintain groups.
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I think the trade off is you only get that 226 chance from vault with M+, but raiders can get 226 per Mythic CN boss in addition to the vault.
Lol no.
You can fail a 10, and get a guaranteed better than heroic raiding item from the cache.
You can fail any key, and still receive 2 items at the end of the fun.
You can spam over and over as much as you like all week, in 30-50min runs that are guaranteed to give you 2 items, even if you fail the timer.
In raids, if you fail to kill bosses you get nothing, and you certainly don’t get higher ilvl items from the GV than what you’re clearing.
M+ gearing is superior in every way.
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With Valor added, I would tend to agree. It’s not that difficult for people to get all 10’s done. That allows them access to 213 ilvl upgrades and 220 ilvl in the vault. That is exactly what heroic raiding offers right now.
Your entitled to your opinion and I’m entitled to disagree. Mythic+ is fun. I hate raiding and pvp, let’s delete those! Yeah, see how stupid that sounds.
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Haha. Let’s delete any content in this game that we don’t like! PvP? Delete. Leveling or solo content? Delete
I do agree with OP about raid loot being bad but I don’t agree with his approach. The vault rewards from raids should be better. They should reintroduce tier sets from raids and of course increase the drops
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A game with nothing but battle pets!
Have you considered that some people may not like doing raids, or may not be in a position to raid, and therefore M+ is their activity of choice? Should the be-all and end-all of gaming be raiding? If you are good a M+, why should you not be rewarded for that?
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It’s not your ilvl keeping you out of pug raids OP. Join a guild.
They should just remove the weekly raid lockout. Then people can spam whatever way they want to earn gear whether it’s PvP, Mythic+, or Raiding.
I’m confused. Why are you talking about required ilvls in the context of raids?
The correct way of raiding in World of Warcraft is to join a guild. You are not on stable ground to whine about M+ when you’re playing the game incorrectly. Fix your situation first, and then come back and tell us how you feel about M+ when you’re playing the game the right way.
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What even is this mindset? Raids drop 226 from every boss and a chance at a 226 from the vault every week, and 233 gear from the last 2 bosses. M+ is relegated to one chance at a piece of 226 per week, as the drops are worthless, and has no road to 233 items. Raiders definitely have it better.
Edit: just realized you meant you want to pug heroic and have the highest item level in the game for that. I don’t know what to say about that except maybe L2P?
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couldn’t agree more.
at one point in world of Warcraft having a heroic raid set meant you were decently geared.
now it means you’re not going to get invited to the dungeon group…
it’s because mythic plus isn’t competing with mythic raid gear it’s competing with heroic raid gear.
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That’s just not true. M+ is a pillar of endgame, equal to raiding.
Edit: Heroic raiding is like running keys under 10. It’s for practice. It’s not a standard to hold endgame players to.
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but it’s not.
the bar of entry to a mythic raid is way higher than the bar of entry to a mythic dungeon
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