So to start im 614 ilvl. Affliction warlock so not low tier. Most have AFF low a high B. i normally finish Mythic at around 1.2b total damage and normally am 2nd on details. I have all mythics beaten at 6+, 1 6++, 4 done at 7 and one 7++ and one overtime 8. I have a mythic score of 2026.
Sitting here I started trying to find a game at 12:15 am. Its now 1:30 am and still just declines after declines. Im only attempting to join 7s to get all my mythics to 7+ before attempting more 8s. Nodda just declines after declines. If you arent a select 4-5 builds youre literally just fishing the list all night instead of enjoying the game.
This system is absolute trash and its really starting to turn me off the game. I started playing in Dragonflight and was an evoker so never experienced this. Dragonflight it would take me 5-10 mins to find a game where as now im lucky if i can run 2 a night playing 6-7 hours.
Just a new player rant i guess and if blizzard reads this, you suck for such a crap idea to group players together. I know my monthly sub wont be missed by such a large company but i do have a company i own and i do spend money on extras such as skins mounts etc which after tonight will come to an end. Id rather go play a dead game then sit her another night staring at a mythic plus group finder all in vein.
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why dont you create your own group?
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It’s the power of those who are setting up the groups…
I often see 605 and higher for normal raid clears when you can do it at 585ilvl if you’re good.
It’s also not even builds too much but the competition. When I did my 10 Mists we had 100 applicants in less than 3 mins the overwhelming majority of them being DPS. It’s hard and Blizzard doesn’t have a lot of good choices unless they introduce a sort of que with requirements or change the game.
You can also do your own group but that doesn’t guarantee results either. Groups start by DPS can get filled or sit 40 mins with no applications.
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i try that. For instance, tonight i had a 7 COT key. Set a 610 min with 2000 min get a group. First boss healer and one dps dies. Second try healer dies again and tank leaves. So now i have a 6 COT key and ive already capped my runed crests for the week running the heroic raid and a couple Mythics. Just more time wasting for now reason. Last week at reset i was at ilvl 612.8. This week im at like 613.9 and only way i can get higher til next week is running higher mythics which i cant do because people only will accept 4-6 different builds it seams.
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i feel like this is a troll post. Setting ilvl cap to 610 for just a +7
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I’m at 2400 score and 619 ilvl. I can’t get into almost any group because I’m not one of those meta. I get flat out declined most of the time. I even got declined from +7s today.
So… I queue up my own key (+10) I get like 30 applicants instantly and they are 620+ and 2400+ and I get to choose whatever the meta currently is. I would have no chance.
It’s just bad tuning on Blizzard’s part. Some classes and specs get just ignored. Also imagine… why are mage and evoker 1st pick every god damn season? bad tuning? Blizzard just really sucks at it lately.
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It’s pretty discouraging when you can only run your own key and your key gets busted down because you know… people. The key becomes a garbage you have to carry up again. No loot, no rating, no crest to gain, just hope. Dungeons have become more exhausting too. I have to take a break after each run. You run at full speed for 30+ mins and there is still chance the key gets even lower… it’s discouraging. I’d just log out the character for the week. It’s not like you can get in a group that you can benefit from anyways.
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Yes because im tired of waiting to get into a game and im also tired of people rage quitting or not knowing mechs. So 610 most know mechs by then and 2000 means they have at least beat them all at 6+. “610 for jsut a 7” and im literally talking about me being a 614 and cant get into a 7 game over course of 2 hours… guy above is also showing how stupid this is when him not even being able to get into 7s because hes not running what some youtuber declared “s tier”…
Which is stupid. Im normally top dps on bosses and on AOE mobs im normally only 200k behind these S teir bozos. They will be aoe for 1.6 and ill be at 1.4m. Its just a trash system. Grinding mythics is all i really enjoy about this game as im one of those old school gear grinding guys. I love the thrill of getting to end and getting something i needed. But last 2 weeks I cant even get into games where i would prolly beat the other dps in there all because again some youtuber made a list of S tier builds and teams. its whack lol
like here is a perfect example of how stupid this is. Go to Archon. Site that shows all classes avg dps. Frost death knight is pretty much number one for mythics with a average of 1,413.9k. My build Affliction is at 1,232.7. The difference is MUTE. But like i said some youtuber said “these are the best builds” and everyone just thinks anyone who doesnt run those isnt good.
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It has nothing to do with your spec.
Blizzard has set it up such that heroic gear, which means slots people need, drops from a 7. But gilded crests and myth track are 9 and 10 respectively. Meaning there are floods of invites from DPS (there’s always so many DPS around) who are going to outclass you in gear and rating.
But it gets worse, because this is a problem with accelerated returns rather than diminishing ones. If you didn’t get myth track last week, people who did are going to get more this week, get into more groups, while you’re hard locked at a 619 cap.
The issue is that Blizzard didn’t set up a ramping difficulty/reward gradient this season, because they listened to the whiniest raiders complaining about M+ people getting gear. So now gear is hidden behind a wall you are not likely going to be able to climb, and it’s going to get harder in pugs as the season progresses. No one is going to want a 619 player when there are 630 players signing up.
Don’t get mad at me, mind, I hate this. Dragonflight had a proper ramping difficulty/reward scale. If this is something you want back, I humbly propose you LOUDLY TELL BLIZZARD THAT THIS SUCKS.
Also, note: The response from the local trolls is generally “lol, look at this bitter noob, can’t do 9s or 10s.” I’ve done both, three completed 10s and tons of 9s both timed and not. My ilvl is 621 (622 when queuing, thanks LFG for rounding up!). I’m doing fine, this system is helpful to me. I value the game being balanced more than personally lording better gear over people, and the current season’s gearing is not healthy compared to Dragonflight.
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I agree with alot you said. Its a crap system as it stands. I think removing the crest cap a week is best and rework it to ilvl. Like wach week you can get runed up to x ilvl which should represent where higher players are. Like if alot of people are 620 then it should let you get to 618 this week. So you dont run into this garbo. Like you said people who play more got to mythic tier. Now those are the only people that are able to fjnd games. And even some of those are getting declined non stop. Like the 619 above who couldnt get into a seven. Ive paid attentio, if you look at rhe feouos forming you can see its mostly the same dps classes. So you have people being narrow minded picking certain classes PLUS what you mentioned anout players leaping out ahead. I get it they have more time or they have friends to play with and get to 9s and up quicker but the system is punishing people who didnt or couldnt do to not being able tonplay all day everyday. Just blows my mind how much time i waste staring at a group finder in a video game. But what you said is a great example. Ive went up 1 ilvl in 2 weeks because im capped at lower level due to other players being 620. Which makes me just want uninstall and play something else. They wont change it though, its blizzard. They will prolly just give us a copy paste response here lol.
Last night and tonight i legit spent 4 hours staring at a group finder screen instead of playing the game.
Also is it just me or is mythics this expansion extremely toxic? I legit watched a healer and dps call each other e ery name in the book over dps messing up one mech that literally didnt really effect us. One wipe and people start pointing fingers and leaving. All while im just sitting there observing deplorable behavior while i just want to have fun and get some gear.
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Why can’t you get into a group?
Because you failed, and Blizzard will punish me for it.
Being kind to you is being cruel to myself.
I have to push my key back up in one go with all my effort.
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Prolly should read what all was discussed before spweing your verbal diarrhea about me costing you a key in a group i didnt even make it into. Has nothing to do with failing or not failing. Failing would first require getting into a group to begin with cupcake. You are defending it because your an evoker who is probably mythic stage and isnt experiencing what others are.
Your response is a perfect example of why its not working. Your explanation shows perfectly why many people arent able to enjoy the game so for that i thank you for contributing to the discussion. I dont need your kindness and if you need to stack your lobby with only highest tiered gear players then sounds like a skill issue. Blizzard has made it to where players like you who play all day and jump out ahead of everyone punishes us that cant do that. I understand you put more time in and should be ahead and be rewarded for it. But you ate not understanding that for 2 weeks now i cant even get a chance to fail or complete a dungeon even though i know all mechs and im hardly ever the reason a dung fails. But as i said i cant even get into 7s when i have beaten everything 6+ or higher. Even have a 7++ and 7+ proving im capable. No matter how you try and justify it in your own head its still whack. Your convenient sure finish keys coming at the sacrifice of me being enable to enjoy something i pay money for
Maybe you’d be successful if you had higher standards like the players who rejected you 
Make decisions (who to invite) on limited information (ilvl and m+ score) is always a gamble.
This is why you make friends with good players. Then you don’t have to gamble.
I completely agree with what you said, which is why I believe the only way to solve this issue is to stop punishing players for failing.
Make it easier for those who haven’t completed certain keys to join groups, rather than making key holders afraid of losing their keys by inviting players who haven’t cleared that level.
Punishing key holders for failure makes it harder for average players to get into groups, as everyone is afraid of inviting a weak link that could cause their +7 key to drop.
At that point, no one wants to run your +6 key anymore, haha.
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If gilded were a 7, how would this change anything? An even greater flood of overqualified people farming 7s.
And if it were a difficulty issue, a 7 is too hard for someone else.
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Do you want to play M+, or do you only want to play your warlock in M+? If it’s the former, play a tank or a healer, because that is the source of the problem.
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That’s your problem. It’s not about the damage warlocks do but about their overall key utility. Warlocks don’t have lust, they don’t have a buff, they have a long interrupt, they don’t have a dispel poison/curse/etc., they don’t have a lot of aoe stops. The only utility they really bring to keys is soulstone. Admittedly I play with a group of 4 and when we’re pugging a 5th we need a lust. Evokers and shamans bring 1000x the key utility a warlock brings AND they have lust. Warlock’s lack of meaningful key utility has always been the issue, not their damage.
Edit this to say that I believe Blizz needs to do a better job of balancing key utility among the classes. I think other classes should have lust (make perfect thematic sense on warrior), and I do think a buff to drums should be considered because crafted drums just feel bad.
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This is applicable to any online game in 2024: Play the meta or suffer.
You chose suffering, so you suffer while those “S teir bozos” have fun.
Apes together stronk
Just because they are 610ilvl and 2k rating doesn’t mean they know mechanics. Key stone master means you put in the bare minimum. The secret to making your key is to ask yourself what do you need to time the key and taking t you need. IO and ILVL only go so far.
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Just step away from any game or content that makes you uncomfortable.
We are not masochists. Stress only harms us.
We shouldn’t have to endure any harm beyond the game mechanics.
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