i tanked my way through cata on a prot pally. which was my original main. you know why i stopped maining him? because dps treat you like trash because they refuse to play better and blame you because they ran ahead and pulled 5 packs expecting you to pick it up. i’m not a masochist. i don’t have a ton of fun being treated like garbage.
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It was lazy because you just run the same dungeon with a few different gimmicks and scaling to make them relevant for 2 years. The entire system was rip off from Diablo 3. It works well for an Action RPG like D3 because it is a solo/co-op game that doesn’t have 36 specs to try to balance around speed running dungeons.
I’m a firm believer that are classes are the state they are in now because of M+.
The only reason this content exist was because Blizzard’s corporate overlords wanted more e-sport content from WoW and all their IPs.
Blizzard/Activision is a fad chaser now and they pretty much ruined WoW for a lot of fans that hate having e-sport style content shoehorned into their RPG.
M+ isn’t optional either if you want to participate in arena or the raiding scene.
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Legion dungeons were speedruns. These dungeons are slogs, frequently nearly unplayable ones like Tol Dagor with sanguine
So you want to beat the timer and push the key to get better loot. I get it man. But is that really funny?
Or is it funny that you get to decline someone for being inadequate and it makes you feel superior?
Sometimes I wonder if that’s the true reason people want more gear and push high keys.
i did legion dungeons with a set group of elderly/disabled people. i had fun doing them because the dungeons themselves were fun even if i couldn’t do them at a really high level. the dungeons this expansion are not fun so why would i just keep punching myself in the face trying to do them? to get stronger gear? i can get as strong of gear as i need doing things that are actually fun to me. no reward in this game is worth being miserable.
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Yeah it’s funny that someone wants to skip the gearing/learning line and gets mad when they aren’t allowed to.
Agreed. Mythic plus is a great gearing avenue.
I’m just having a hard time reconciling how these BFA mythic plus dungeons are lazy where as Wrath dungeons, MoP dungeons, etc weren’t. Beyond the aesthetic and subjective fun of each, of course. Having seasonally changing affixes really does change the way each dungeon 10+ was handled.
Class issues I think are going to be subjective and based on previous iterations. I’m having a blast on prot and find it much more engaging than the old Wrath’s 969… rotation to maximize cooldowns. (Anecdotally)
I’m truly sorry for your frustration. A game one has spent decades in, to have it execute an apparent paradigm shift for you is annoying to say the least.
I didn’t say you cant criticize it.
How do you suggest one makes dungeon content relevant for 2+ years, with gear scaling, etc?
This makes sense as long as we pretend classes weren’t in similar or worse states before m+.
M+ wasn’t innovative at all though. They just ripped off a system from an Action RPG and called it day. The D3 developers that they brought onto the team in WoD have done with with other systems too.
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Oh yeah, that attitude sucks. If that happens now in pugs, I’ll roll with it (as tank) and try to keep up, but if we die, it usually followed by some kind of “chat.”
So?
Not every aspect of WoW has to be a “never before seen” mechanic.
Once again, how else should we have dungeons be relevant for 2+ years? Which has never happened in WoW’s life before M+.
Please for the love of God, leave me alone!!! WTB an ignore feature!!!
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I find it interesting how if I talk to you cordially you react like this.
The answer is, you make new content to do.
I don’t want to debate with you man. I’m never going to change your mind and you are beyond irritating to try to debate with. You are nothing but one giant forum troll lol.
the average dps player is not that good at the game. they are hard carried at low levels by decent tanks or healers. the ones in higher content are different. but i am not good enough to do that higher content with the better dps. so for me, if you can’t beat 'em- join 'em. XD
So they make 10 new dungeons every patch? So about 30-40 dungeons an expansion?
I find it interesting that if I merely disagree with you, it warrants all these personal statements.
And I am the troll? Where most of your responses to me have been nothing but saying things about me personally, ignoring what I am saying, and just trying to get some sorta emotional response?
a lot of people react negatively to you. have you ever though of why that might be?
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10 seems like a bit much. I’d say 4 or 5 should be doable.
But why would they go through all that effort when all they gotta do is slightly change the mechanics each week and call it good.
He is nothing but a huge forum troll. He just pokes at you and a lot of his responses are just snarky attempts to get a rise out of people that don’t agree with his views on the game. If this forum had an ignore feature, he wouldn’t have anyone to talk to.