No, it wouldn’t.
You can 4x loot or something.
The solution would not be simple as just more loot per boss, especially at mythic level.
Even if let’s say raid bosses dropped more loot and/or was repeatedly killable. Your raid team still needs to be able to kill the boss, and you would need to be on the roster to be eligible for loot.
This means some people can easily go for a few weeks with 0 loot from bosses and 0 vault loot, especially while progging on a difficult boss. Therefore, there would be no way to gear up and make the prog easier either.
Yes, lfr exists, normal too, heroic as well.
You don’t start off with mythic.
Yes, so people will be forced to spend precious raid time on reclearing easier content for a small chance of upgrades and/or crests.
And even that will stop eventually once they fully farmed the lower difficulties. Then, they will be stuck with no source of loot except killing prog bosses, which not everyone is capable of.
Then they cap out on loot, and aren’t good enough.
I don’t see the issue. M+ is not a benefit.
Separating the raid into two 4-boss raids would be a big help. That way people can farm one for gear, 40 gilded crests and 2 vault slots while extending on the other.
Yes, first remove the vault. Second, remove mythic track from gear. Third, remove lockouts entirely. Lastly, make cantrip items only usable in the content they drop in.
I don’t exactly have a problem with such a point of view. But, people were complaining about +10s not being more “accessible”. So, I assume it would be very unpopular.
There are various ways to change the raid system such as adding mini bosses that drop small upgrades or crests.
But, this basically means we are trading M+ farming for more raid farming. I personally prefer M+ farming as it is very flexible. Raid is a big time commitment and it is not easy to get that many people together to farm.
Raiding is a more rigid time commitment but, once on farm, would frequently require less time. M+ is flexible but often more time consuming. People should have the option to pick that which suits them better. Currently they do not.
raid farming is better.
Race to the bottom not yielding fast enough results for ya, eh?
I had to do 46 priory to get tome trinket, which is better than most trinkets from any source.
you have always been “forced” by blizzard to do non-raiding content in order to get the gear or resources that you needed in order to raid.
go spend 3-4 weeks in BGs to gain the rep you need for items that were pre-bis for your class/spec and you had to get those so you could get into raids and eventually work your way up the guild’s prio list until you got your bis piece.
if you are going to push true endgame content, you will pursue any other content that gives you the resources you need wherever they are available so you can push the content you actually want to play.
No, you were given the option before. A lot of people took those options, but they didn’t have to. They could walk into the raids with a missing piece of pre-BiS here or there and still do fine. This is very different from what people are experiencing at this time.
What we have today is a situation where any serious CE attempt is going to be done through lockout extensions. This means M+ becomes your only viable source of loot, as you won’t be getting anything out of the raid.
I’m old enough to remember that even in vanilla (outside of the cases of just carrying friends) you were mostly expected to have your dungeon set if you wanted to get into a MC raid.
It wasn’t going to commonly be the case that people would ding 60 and just get invited to a raid in green questing gear.
I recall farming DM West for a dagger and also getting full tier 0 for my best chances at getting my foot in the door with a raiding guild.
Don’t forget that we also farmed random dungeons for resistance gear.
It’s basically always been the case that dungeons compliment raiding.
There should be a system in place where you can get items in Raid if you M+ and if you Raid from M+ instead of waiting for the event.
anyone serious about “CE” is not going to complain about having to run some m+ to get “CE”. they will do what they need to do.
No, that’s the difference between M+ers and CE raiders.
M+ers will complain, but not do it, CE raiders will do it, then complain about how much of it they had to do.
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This.
Im glad some people like Mplus. IDK how some people have like 70 keys ran in week 1. Just kills me lol
I get to tens and then coast for vault slots.