Method only pulled it off because of Blizzards amazingly conveniently timed nerf if Limit had won under the same circumstance it still wouldn’t change the fact this was not a fair victory
Limit was in the lead and had already beaten the very thing that Method was still trying to overcome until that hotfix handed them the opening they needed to win
no one is disputing methods ability to pull off a worlds first their track record speaks for itself in past expansions but seriously they say theyre the best then set the record straight on this one
have Blizzard reset the achievement then have a raid team from both guilds fully rested and selected from their best players run it again WITHOUT Blizzard hotfixing any raid mechanics during the actual race this time
all im saying is settle this issue fairly if method pulls it off ill be the first in line to offer my congratulations as well as a sincere apology and never bring this matter up again they will have proven themselves to be undisputed and not merely due to the ill timed decision by Blizz to inadvertently affect the conditions which lead to limits defeat
as Ive said in other topics this isn’t about who actually won its the manner in how that win was obtained
It’s not like it never happened on other last bosses. You’re a bit of a sore loser if you think that it wasn’t Method strategy that didn’t prevail. And the race for world first isn’t a blizzard event so they have no reason to reset achievement or actual obligations to make it “fair”.
Method had a superior strat. Limit had the lead for quite some time and just came up short. I’m not knocking them at all though. They did a fantastic job. It’s only a matter of time that they get World 1st.
Limit were ahead because they were using a lineup specifically to beat a specific phase that probably wouldn’t have worked later in the fight.
Method’s strategy put them behind in the short term, because it made one of the phases much harder to get through than using Limit’s strategy, but once they could get through that phase without relying on Limits line-up (which I think was 3 or 4 healing?) they were far better equipped to deal with the rest of the fight.
maybe so but it doesn’t change the fact the very thing holding method back suddenly became weaker almost immediately after Blizzard applied the nerf to it in effect giving them an unfair assist and in essence basically manipulated the outcome
even if limit was behind and they were able to pull off the worlds first kill due to that nerf it would still be wrong
this isn’t about who won its the manner in how they actually got it
yes I agree and no matter the outcome I would accept it under those conditions let them both start on equal footing
limit was already passed a stage that method was still unable to defeat Blizzard applied a hotfix nerfing that particular issue then suddenly method overtook limit and snagged the worlds first for mythic azshara
Correct, they were pretty neck and neck pre-nerf, but no one took the kill.
I can’t confirm but Koloi believes that Limit had succeeded at passing what was the current block before Method, but then that specific block was reduced allowing Method to catch up again and then take the win.
So… if Limit had already beaten where Method was stuck, once Method was unstuck, (granted, by Blizzard), from that point on, level playing field was still level, no?
Please understand I have zero skin in this. I’m not a raider. I’ll never have a World First. But I still must be missing something.
Why hadn’t Limit gone on to get the World First if Method was stuck behind Limit? Or am I no understanding it?
Apologies if I’m being thick.
Also, did time zones have anything to do with this? Or was that not a factor?
don’t misunderstand me im not for either limit or method if the roles had been reversed and limit had been the ones to pull this worlds first victory off under those same circumstances I would still feel the same way Blizzard should’ve waited before nerfing that one block and let the chips fall where they may
no because it was not an even playing field one side was already ahead of the other then Blizzard changes the parameters of the encounter and method was no longer being hindered by it even though limit had already past that point without needing it nerfed
its pretty much the equivalent of letting the second guy in a marathon race pull out a bicycle and chase the leader down then jump off next to the finish line and declaring him the winner
I think it was mainly due to the lust placement. Method had decided to hold on to theirs till the final phase. Meaning that their moves had to be close to perfect until then while maintaining a 2 healer 16 DPS and 2 Tank strat. It benefitted them when they were able to make it to final phase because that crunched down significant time required on the boss.
Limit decided to lust Phase 2. Which means when they got to final phase everything needed to be perfect while the entire room and the boss is going crazy. So their everything needed to be perfect at the most hectic moment of the fight.
This thread shows how really dumb people can be w/o even understanding what was happening.
Up until the nerf NO ONE has gotten pass the 3rd add because of the 2 min enrage timer of the adds. Limit has found out about this 1st because they died repeatedly to it. The “nerf” happened after method called it for the night give limit a 10hr head start to do something about it
The 2 team had different strat all together. Method’s strat was play burn the last phase where limit had a more defensive strat at the last phase. Method just edge Limit abit better and got the kill w/ their strat
But… the side that was already ahead (Limit), had the same chance to finish as the side that was behind. As you state, Limit was already ahead, yes?
So, in your scenario, Limit had a head start on the same bike, but failed to finish.
Or are you suggesting Blizzard gave Method a buff of some kind from the change that Limit didn’t get because they’d already done that part?
Speaking of bicycles…Anyone watch the Tour de France, as in this year’s that ended Sunday?
I ask because a weird thing happened outside the peloton’s control… due to a crazy snow/hail/rain storm in the Alps on Friday (late July, when the pavement is usually so hot it’s melting), they had to stop Friday’s stage because of flooding & mudslides rendering the course unsafe, and also rerouted/shortened Saturday’s as well because of roads being washed away.
A guy who’d had the yellow jersey for almost two of the three week race, and had lost it the day before, was counting on getting it back because of his insane downhill skills. But he never got the chance due to the course being shortened.
