Launch without the tool available. Wait for a few months to see actual player response to it rather than the vocal few who use forums. Statistically, a very small portion of the actual playerbase of any game actually visits and participates in the official forums of that game. It doesn’t matter what game it is… I’ve been around gaming communities long enough to know that the vast majority are just playing the game without interacting with forums or subreddits at all.
So, launch without RDF to begin with and see what the actual playerbase thinks. If, after a few months, the playerbase has negative reactions to the decision, then re-evaluate and perhaps reverse that decision.
I see the arguments for both sides and understand them, mostly. I am currently on the side of removing the tool because I believe it would encourage people to be a part of the world more. However, I’m open to having my mind changed if it turns out the game suffers because of the decision. If you’re not open to the possibility of being wrong, then frankly you shouldn’t participate in the discussion. If your mind is closed… your opinion isn’t worth much of anything.
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How would Blizzard see players’ reactions if not through the forums?
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an excellent idea. around 3.3.5 you can release it if we still want it.
Wrath will have a surge regardless of RDF. This simply won’t tell them whether or not people want RDF.
There have been plenty of community polls that show that more people want RDF. One was with 28k responses from Wille and another one with 8k responses on Reddit through Strawpoll.
You can’t use that way of thinking since we’re using Patch 3.3.5 for certain aspects at launch, so the initial patch launch schedule is skewed from the very beginning.
then let’s push it to 3.4 with ICC raid. i think that’s a good time.
ICC was released with Patch 3.3. There was no Patch 3.4
Patch 3.3.5 - Ruby Sanctum.
We’ve had Classic and now TBC Classic - a total of 1,008 days, including today; we’ve seen what World of Warcraft is like without Dungeon Finder - a mess of boosted runs, leading to almost no groups for lower level content, and smaller servers dying off. We don’t need a few months to see this all over again, what we DO need is a few months to see how Dungeon Finder does for us.
What this will likely lead to is an influx of players relying on Battlegrounds to provide them with experience, especially since players can be stockpiling Honor as they go, which will provide the same experience “Anti-LFDers” are vocal about the Dungeon Finder providing (Players just sitting in a town, waiting for their queues to pop)
That is one of the worst kinds of attitudes to have going into any form of debate or discussion. Many people these days are stubborn, and set in their ways, but that doesn’t discredit their opinions as invalid or not as valuable.
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It’s sad to say but I’m a pro LFDer and we just need to let it go. Blizzard clearly doesn’t care what players want. There is more money in not having LFD so they don’t care.
Blizzard values income over player satisfaction and it’s been like that for like 5-6 years now in my eyes.
Think of the 70 boosts alone. $60 a pop if even half the play base does it that’s big money. Then throw in the bots to farm gold so people can pay for SM boosts and SP boosts.
I honestly think blizzard has calculated it and they lose more subs if they implement it. Not more players, but more subs. And unfortunately the bots and gold farmers are a huge source of revenue for blizzard and they rather collect the dollars then make players happy by banning.
Does that mean my rogue gets 5 combo points every GCD in raid during Naxx? Because that was a thing at the start of Wrath. If we’re playing by those rules then when Wrath comes out , it shouldn’t start with 3.3.5 talents right? It’s not inline with the original Wrath timeline.
We will be using the final patch for class balance just like we did in classic and TBCC.
That’s a conspiracy if I’ve ever seen one.
I’m not sure how you managed to convince yourself that Blizzard’s decision to remove LFD is to protect bots and gold farmers.
The point is that the argument “it came out in 3.3.5” a dumb argument.
I think expecting them to recreate all the various balancing passes that existed throughout the entirety of wotlk in chronological order is a ridiculous idea.
Also comparing a class balance to a content patch is equally ridiculous. There is absolutely no reason why the expansion should start with RDF.
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it just wouldn’t be Wrath with it before 3.3.5.
Considering it was added in 3.3, it certainly would be Wrath with it added prior to 3.3.5.
perhaps they should remove it entirely - along with 10man ‘raiding’.
You’re right but at the same time, I’d say there is absolutely no reason it couldn’t be in at the start. Given most “classic” features have been automated or circumvented by players. LFG Bulletin board is a relevant example of this. In fact, with no LFD, I’d argue this will guarantee the utilization of GS which I would argue led to more toxicity than RFD did with people asking for GS higher than actual heroic gear would provide.