My suggestion regarding LFG/RDF for WotLK

Do you not consider 10-man raids to be actual raids?

no, they’re more like big dungeon groups. they’re closer to M+ than to raiding.

Really? Because I don’t remember there being 3.3.5 talent configs at the start of the expac back in the day. That was certainly still Wrath.

The same can be said for 25-man raids, as well.

Did you make a big deal about it at the start of classic and TBCC though?

My gripe with this decision would be that neither Classic nor TBC Classic saw any major feature/tool removed. There WERE changes, absolutely, but all tools and features were implemented appropriately. This feels more than a coincidence that Blizzard is now fighting to implement a feature from the original game that would directly affect their profits through their own paid-for boosts.

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Player counts. Observing people in game. They have many ways of analyzing data that we just don’t have access to. Player surveys, etc etc.

Observing what, exactly? They already do, and they’re not taking action to rectify the problems we have now.

We have many ways to analyze the same form of data, but not down to an exact number, since Blizzard has stopped making their statistics readily accessible by the public.

Both of these methods are highly susceptible to manipulation with players able to create and utilize multiple accounts, especially with VPNs being increasingly popular, there’s no guaranteed way of either of these not being tampered with.

Really? Not wanting to engage with closed-minded people is “the worst kinds of attitudes”? No. Having a closed mind is the worst kind of attitude. It means you’re not going to even consider you might be wrong. If you can’t consider the fact that you MIGHT be wrong… you’re not worth having a discussion with.

Thought is was hella weird but people weren’t making dumb arguments about stuff back then. Def thought it was weird putting in a lot of items that weren’t initially at the start.

In a debate, it’s up to each party to prove the other wrong. Many people who are against LFD cite the “destruction of community” as one of the vital repercussions it will bring, but never get past “you’ll just sit in cities, waiting for your queues to pop” because we counter with “That’s what people do now, and we don’t have Dungeon Finder,” and they have nothing else to counter with themselves.

For people that are closed-minded, it’s important for you (or the opposition) to lay out the facts, and if they don’t accept that, then you’ve done your job. But, to dismiss those people because of the very passion they have for the game, is ridiculous. There are people on here (some have labelled as trolls) that have a different opinion than myself on LFD, but that doesn’t mean that I just ignore their comments.

If you’re closed-minded, you can’t participate in debates. You’re not debating at that point, you’re waiting for your turn to talk and say your piece.

What do you think debates are…?

A debate is an exchange of opposing ideas and viewpoints. If you’re doing that with a closed mind… you’re just preaching.

This is literally what happens in debates - you say your side, you then wait for the opposition to deliver a rebuttal, and then rinse and repeat.

Yes, which applies to my above point.

9/10 people actively engaged in a debate have conducted their research into both sides of the argument - no one enters debates hoping for anything but their points to be declared the “winner.”

You’re an example of what people think debates are, but I’m afraid you’re just mistaken. If you’re going into a debate completely unwilling to change your mind… I have no interest in debating with you.

The FIRST thing you should do before going into a debate is ask yourself “could I be wrong?” and if you say no, then you shouldn’t debate. Likewise, if your opponent says no to that question, then you shouldn’t debate them.

If you answer no to that question, I will not engage with you further.

Have a nice night, then.

You’re free to come back if you approach the topic with an open mind.

Not worth continuing the conversation. Thanks, though.

Not when one has a closed mind, no :slight_smile: