So i created a post about a forum revamp and i come back after a nap to see it locked. is there a reason why? i wasnt toxic rude or trolling im confused.
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THere was a note left when it was closed, it’s nothing what you did and seem what some folks did in it.
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Yes, right at the end where the Mod left a note.
A note telling certain people to stop the back and forth arguing, fighting, and personal attacks. They derailed the thread and it got locked to stop the nonsense along with a warning to those people.
Closed 2 hours ago
Tried to clean this up but it that pokes too many holes into the discussion.
These arguments are getting more than a little tiresome. Please stop before I am forced to penalize all involved.
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thats sad i was hoping to try and spark some change for the forums ;(
Follow up question would i get in trouble if i reposted and asked people to keep it civil ?
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Would be probably best not to - you can ask, but that doesn’t mean folks will follow the request. And if there’s a place someone could start a fight, more so when it’s the same topic, they’d flock to that fast and have a repeat of it.
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Thats fair i guess. makes me sad that a post designed to try and help improve the forums basically got deleted and removed and wont get any attention so hopfully a dev or something sees it
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Bad idea right now. Usually recreating a locked thread is against the forum rules. It was not locked for YOUR post, but that topic tends to bring out some “passionate” folks who will argue and get personal. There have been many threads, some going into the thousands of posts over weeks about it. I promise that the folks that need to hear it, have heard it. Not just from you, but from the many thousands of other posts.
Karma is not happening though. That is not really a thing they want to do here.
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If it’s any consolation, there were no suggestions made in your topic that haven’t already been made. If you were to try again with another thread, I suspect the same would again hold true.
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It wasn’t you being toxic or anything, its mainly how these Forum improvement threads go, they just end up being constant back and forth arguing, finger pointing, accusations and toxicity, those threads get locked because of it, expecting people to not do that is hard.
Topic of forum improvements are fine but pretty much every time it gets to the point of toxicity, it ends up getting locked because of it.
Please try to understand this, and this is at no fault of your own, it isn’t that moderation doesn’t want us to have these discussions and provide feedback, it is every now and then, there would be some people who would just post in bad faith, and people feeding those posters, which creates circular arguments.
I’m pretty sure Vrakthris didn’t really want to close the discussion, but some people are just around to troll the forums, and some people keep on feeding into the trolling, which creates never ending circular arguments. And this puts so much focus on the moderation where they end up closing the thread because people would still continue.
Moderation does wish to see improvements to the forums, and they even know some of the stuff us, the players, want, and they have submitted request as well, but while having a discusion is usually fine, it is the circular arguments between people who are trolling the forums and people who keep feeding into the trolling that isn’t.
EDIT: I should also add, the problem is, nobody can control on who responds to the threads or who responds to who. People are encourage in doing the right thing, usually in form of not feeding anyone who is suspected of trolling, and reporting post if they believe is in breach of the Forum Code of Conduct, as well as obliging by the Forum Code of Conduct as well. But nobody can really control the behaviour in what others do, and with that, it is how all the circular arguments just keep on going.
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To put it in the simplest terms possible: you got hecker’s veto’d by the usual suspects.
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I support improvements to the way the forums work. Not necessarily all of your specific suggestions, but some of them… and I’ll give your post a like. (And if you were to repost it, I’d add that it should take more than three flags to nuke a post).
#dfmb
However, if the original post contained good-faith suggestions and ideas, and the thread was posted in a forum monitored by Community Managers, Varindral already succeeded in addressing the only audience that matters: the developers and their managers, who are the only folks who truly have any say.
Even if a suggestion thread gets voted off the island, it can fulfill its main function of addressing The Powers That Be. What the peanut gallery does ultimately doesn’t matter.
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It’s technically against the rules, but I don’t think you’d get into trouble. It would likely be locked, as well.
To give feedback on the thread, you didn’t really seem to do anything wrong. But you you posted about a “forum revamp”, and gave one small idea, then asked for others to fill in the gaps. Next time, bring a fleshed-out idea with how you think the forums should work. What benefits would it provide, and what problems would it solve.
I would also advise to have more substance than essentially “I want more control over what I see and who sees me”. Account-wide ignores, what happens to flagged posts, etc. is all about molding the forums into what a certain individual wants, not so much what best serves everyone, as a whole. When making these suggestions, try to think of the big picture, how it would affect everyone, and especially the challenges that would come with implementing those suggestions.
And bear in mind that suggestions about the forums (particularly about how the forum software works) are going to be limited by the fact that the forum software isn’t a Blizzard product. It’s a third-party software package called Discourse, so Blizzard has no ability (outside of tweaking configuration flags) to change the software itself, and probably only limited ability to request Discourse change the software to meet Blizzard’s requests. Considering there are hundreds of Discourse forums out there, even Blizzard can’t demand changes that would impact other Discourse customers.
Pooh, if a thread is locked for any reason, it is usually best to not make another thread (Unless exemptions are made for certain cases, such as the CS Lounge for example). And it takes 5 people to flag a post for it to become hidden. It is up to moderation to determind if to take action against the post reported or to remove the flags, not the community.
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While those would be best posted in General Discussion as legitimate suggestions, I recall mods saying that the forums are actually managed by a third party company, not blizzard itself, so large-scale changes to the system take a long time.
Eh, I wouldn’t encourage people reposting locked threads. That’s spam and the new thread would just get locked again.
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Blizzard licenses the forum software from a third party (Discourse). Blizzard administers the forum, Discourse is responsible for software updates and implementing changes requested by Blizzard.
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No amount of flags “nuke a post”. It may temporarily hide it until a Moderator can review the reports.
It is generally the last thing I or any Moderator wants to do, but it sometimes becomes necessary. In most cases if we notice that a thread is going off the rails a bit, we try to remove the comments that made it so. Unfortunately, what often happens is that people respond to the other folks who are derailing the thread. That makes it a bit more difficult to clean up because doing so can remove valid on topic responses in the process, riddling the thread with discussion holes.
Please keep in mind, even if we have to close a thread, the thread and feedback is still retained for our Community Management team to collect and bring to our Game Developers.
Indeed. The forum software is third party (Discourse). Blizzard oversees moderation and the like, but they are responsible for software updates. We also work with them to develop and implement desired changes. It is generally a long process, but we try to ensure that highly desired changes and quality of life improvements are prioritized.
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