Then you’re not asking for an authentic experience of classic WoW, and if you don’t want authentic, then your changes are just as bad as adding in dual spec or horde paladins / alliance shaman.
I was unaware that dual spec and horde paladins were part of Classic WoW. You have taught me something new.
Unless you’re making a false comparison. But you wouldn’t do that to yourself, right? You wouldn’t ruin your credibility like that?
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Was old AV in 1.12? No. Were pre-nerf pets in 1.12? No.
You’re either #NoChanges, or you’re campaigning for No Changes… except for the ones I want.
Was it in pre-BC WoW? Yes.
Were they in pre-BC WoW? Yes.
I’m like 99% sure you’re just rocking the boat, but I’ll explain it in simple terms:
No changes means “We don’t want things from expansion content to be in Classic.”
It does not mean “We want 1.12 in pristine untouched conditions because 1.12 is the perfect Classic experience and had no controversial changes”
What we want is “WoW Classic,” not specifically “WoW 1.12”
Some of us want the return of very specific aspects of the Classic experience that were changed late in the cycle (Early Alterac Valley, single-realm battlegrounds) but were very much a part of WoW Classic.
Asking for things like dual spec or horde paladins is asking for something that did not ever exist in Vanilla/Classic WoW. That is a different concept. If you don’t understand, ask specific questions about my argument, and I will answer them.
If you just fire back with “changes are changes and you’re a hypocrite” or some feisty variant of such, I’m gonna assume you’re a troll and that you’re not arguing in good faith.
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Then that’s not authentic. If you want changes to the game to try and make the perfect hybrid of all parts of classic, that’s fine, but you can’t campaign on the idea of authenticity, because that’s not an authentic recreation of any point in classic’s timeline.
Yeah, you’re just being argumentative for the sake of it. In my opinion, the earlier the content comes from, the better. The reason they’re going with 1.12 is because they have the complete database data, and all the raids/content had been released by then.
By no means is 1.12 the perfect Classic experience. If you wanted me to pick one period to represent my ideal Classic, it’d be more like 1.11 or 1.10
1.12 was the beginning of a few design philosophies that stripped down server identity and steered AV more toward being a rush-fest instead of a genuine battle.
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I’m not arguing just to argue. I just don’t see how people can claim they want an authentic recreation, but then ask for a mixed and matched version of patches to create something that was never in WoW at all.
Wanting an older version of classic is fine, but then that should be what you’re asking for, otherwise you’re part of the group that says no changes, but really they mean only changes they want.
I know you’re not the person I originally quoted, but that was literally the stance they were taking. No changes… except for what I want changed.
To be honest, 1.12 is when the “changes” started in earnest. A few of them, like I said, were a gut punch to PvP and AV in particular.
We’ve been told that 1.12 is the “starting point,” but that doesn’t necessarily make it the ending point. We’re making our cases for Original AV instead of “nerfed, changed AV”
Some of us have been opposed to changes since way back then. I’m one of those people. I wanted AV to stay as it was.
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But it would break the game on a fundamental level.
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I can understand not liking 1.12, it introduced one of my least favorite changes. Cross realm battlegrounds were one of the worst things to ever happen to WoW. It enabled the mindset of “it’s better to lose quickly, than win slowly, because of honor per hour.”
There was a lot of stuff I didn’t like about classic WoW, but at the same time I don’t want to support ruining the authenticity of Classic WoW by supporting changes to it. I want new players to experience the good and the bad that was vanilla WoW. Hopefully we do get servers that go from 1.1 to 1.13 so that new people can experience the crazy ride that was vanilla.
You’re such a funny guy thinking this argument makes sense when stuff like old av and 10 man dungeons were actually stuff blizzard asked us to discuss. Both were actually in vanilla. You know what wasn’t in vanilla? Dual spec and horde paladins.
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Did we ask for patch 1.12 or did we ask for vanilla?
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I don’t think anyone is getting exactly what they want from classic, but I think it’s safe to say that it is at least better than retail.
I can get behind a #NoChanges movement that is trying to give us an authentic recreation of vanilla. Picking and choosing which changes are okay? That’s a completely different story.
That’s what the no changes movement has always been about. Make the best wow possible from within the time of vanilla.
Blizzard even encouraged such a discussion
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I wasn’t aware of that. Last I heard, we were getting 1.12, warts and all. Meaning we were getting all the bad stuff that came with that version of the game.
Do you have a link to that post? I’d like to use it in future discussions.
that was announced at blizzcon 2017. and blizzard said they were using 1.12 as the base of the game, not the game itself. if we were getting strict 1.12 whats with the staggered content? with the aq gate event?
whats with the cheap training but expensive mounts?
as for them asking about the stuff i mentioned
https://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/world-of-warcraft-classic-interview/
So, content-wise, it will be the same?
Brack: Content-wise it will be identical. Now, “identical” has a lot of nuance, [though], because WoW changed a lot in the two years between launch and Burning Crusade. One of the reasons we are talking about this as early as we are is to get the community’s opinions on which way we should go for certain things.
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I’m looking forward to the posts about how no one plays vanilla wow. If Blizz doesn’t add some sort of achievements for playing vanilla wow that apply to retail the game is dead on arrival. But I am glad the rose color glass people will leave retail and maybe we can actually get more stuff to do in retail.
Indeed, what Backagain and the other people who seem to think what he’s repeating is some kind of compelling point ignore, is that no one has ever, ever said “#NoChangesFrom1.12.”
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Oh well. Guess it’s gonna be DoA.
*Sarcasm
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Man you sure are irrationally defensive about classic wow. Even one of the lead devs said he was unsure making classic wow was a good idea. I mean if it’s a success it’s a success. I’m just stating what a lot of people are already thinking.