Belmont is a rogue. Not a warrior. Ivar is taller then him and has large fangs and claws. He needs backup from the rest of the Horde meaning someone needs to convince the council to send aid in Lordaeron.
Just send in Kiro and the gang. Theyâll fix the problem faster than either the council or the forsaken can 
You couldnât even defeat the Sethrak without help from the Horde PC.
Ivarâs just as forgettable as almost every other named NPC thatâs left behind in their questing zones over the past decade+. I donât know why you focus on him so much.
And honestly, so what if Gilneas goes back? Nobody horde-side has ever given a damn about the place, and it staying gone wonât stop the writers from writing warfronts there in the future if they really want to. At least itâll put an end to the requests for it to come back.
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They single handily solved the hordes problems when they first joined. More than what the council or the forsaken contributed during that time
Beat that Erevien 
Bruh. WTF are you talking about.
Because first off if just being taller meant victory then the Vyrkul would rule all.
And the fun part about the Worgen VS Forsaken topic is they negate eachotherâs advantages.
The worgen virus grants immunity to the undead one, and presumably they can smell a Blight cannister long before it ever has a chance to be deployed, much less fired.
Meanwhile the Worgenâs strength and ferocity means nothing to the living dead. If their flesh isnât outright toxic I certainly canât imagine it tastes good. And ooo what big claws you have grandma, but unfortunately disemboweling an undead is just going to piss them off even more.
Presuming they havenât filled their stomach cavity with booby traps for this exact situation. Which somebody like Belmont 900% would.
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Ivar has backup from the other Worgen and Gilneas.
Something not true for the Forsaken. If a new fight breaks out at Silverpine they will be outnumbered. Last time Sylvanas had to help together with the Valâkyr.
The Forsaken have other Forsaken.
Please give me the population statistics of any Warcraft nation. Iâll wait.
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I mean, Ben is kind of right though. The gilneans, with the backing of Ivar and his pack, plus the 7th legion basically fought the forsaken to a standstill.
Which is still impressive considering what the gilneans were going through at the time, but they really donât have a massive advantage over the forsaken
That was because Sylvanas directly intervened. Neither Varian nor Genn showed up in that battle in the border between Silverpine and Gilneas.
Directly intervened?
Yeah. She was kinda the Commander and Chief. Thatâs her job. She actually didnât do too much beyond leading the final charge and giving you an exposition dump poney ride to the Sepulcher.
Then she gets BLAMMâed by Godfrey and loses 2 valkyr for the trouble. In what was I guess brilliant foreshadowing because between him, Varimathras and the Jailor that elf could just not stop trusting blatantly evil people.
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Tbh I like Ivar Bloodfang.
Because his name is Ivar Bloodfang.
Blizz has done a lot more with a lot less than just a cool name.
Personally Iâd make him a surely Irishman. Just have him on a peace trip to the Undercity running around like;
Imagine still caring about faction parity in 2023. Much less caring about faction parity over just about everything else in the story. Itâs just sad, really.
Itâs the story forums. After BFA and SL everything about the concept is.
Itâs important because the Horde came out of Bfa in a worse way.
Itâs not important. Itâs petty and sad. Ruining other races because of some nonsensical sense of parity doesnât fix what was broken. Just makes everything worse.
The alliance loses nothing here. You have a slim definition of ruin.
You mean aside from killing every leader for absolutely no reason at all? Most races donât even have developed secondary characters like Draenei or gnomes to take over if the current leader dies.
Also exiling the night elves from Kalimdor very, very much does ruin them.
Because that is what happening to the Horde. I just make sure we have parity. If you canât handle the Horde treatment maybe you are too soft skinned for this game. Otherwise the entire red community would have quit by now. And no Baine, Gazlowe, Rokhan and Bob are not good replacements. Their rise to power for no reason are part of the problem.
No race is tied to a specific place. Otherwise we wouldnât have Orcs or Draenei.
Itâs part of the orc and draenei theme of them starting over in a new land. Most of night elf backstory involves them staying in the place theyâve already been, which is why them moving to the Dragon Isles would be a bad idea.
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