Ok? And… what? Still the horde expansion capitol and a (pretty much horde leader at that point). You guys even had the FIRST INSTANCE EVER, WHERE A RAID BOSS WAS SUCCESSFUL!!! The horde failed in that raid, the alliance did NOT.
Ok, thats a silly thing for the audience to expect, why even was our time wasted his development over the entire zone anyway?
What did you expect? Thats generally how they balance it tic for tac. Still happened by the alliances hand.
What do you mean scraps? ya’ll have been winning ever since the war of thorns. Exactly my point of ‘not good enough’. They actually wrecked the horde narrative for ya’ll.
Either way I believe were at a point in time now where we’ve discussed things ad nauseam and were just gonna have to wait and see how things play out over the next year.
I just dont agree with the notion that the alliance has only gotten ‘scraps’ this expansion.
I think thats the real issue with sylvanas, is she is a character that people think is horde, but she doesnt like the horde and no matter how obivious blizzard makes it now, the people who failed to catch the hints that she doesnt like the horde are just gonna think she cares about it.
you know the funny thing is that we also failed our main goal.
-main goals:capture rasthakan fail
-force them to stay out of the war fail
Then we had to run or be crushed by the MiGth Of ThE HorDE
where the horde managed to defeat in combat 2 alliance leaders and wounding one who is still in coma and them blizzard telling us how costly the battle has been.
When the horde got a flawless victory in teldrassil killing all the civilians they could.
and then doing “everything as they planned” in UD.
“you won nothing” in blizzard own words.
my point is that blizzard let the horde get their crushing defeats on the alliance without major set backs and the alliance has to see literally CGI cinematics of how much of a failure lordaeron was and “recruiting farmers” now.
I mean, you do have a point. The fact that she’s the “Last Man Standing” shouldn’t really amount to much tbh. There was never really a point in her character development where it was shown she grew out of her “Alliance of Convenience” stage. That doesn’t get into the deliberately ambiguous relationship she has with her own Forsaken.
Long story short, if we get Thrall, Loa’Jin, Rexxar, and Gazlowe fully invested in the Horde as a Faction … I’ll count it a fair trade for Sylvie. If Saurfang DOESN’T get what he clearly wants (an easy out to his own mistakes with a Quick death) … and lives out the rest of his life in service and penance; bigger win for me (especially if Thrall gets to save a mentor character for once in his life). Voss fully committing to her people would be a nice boon. And tbh, I may be in the minority, but I actually like Nathanos on a architectural level, and think he’d conceptually be a pretty good Forsaken Racial Leader (if the guy could ever gain some independence from his Queen).
not anymore it seems like azshara was working with sylvanas or whatever and we, again got into a trap where we probably lost 90 % of the fleet in just a single move.
No more than any other Horde Leader (or Horde member) involved in the WoT.
I think NE fans especially give him flak because he has the gall to have survived his little run in with SUPER Tyrande. I do not recall him getting even slightly this amount of hate prior to him pulling the short straw and being used as a plot-device to raise Summermoon and Sira.
He’s a angry, snarky, apathetic jerk … which fits the Forsaken to a tee tbh.
No he literally has a hand in the genocide and doesnt care, saurfang at least tried to somewhat stop it, the rest of the horde wasnt there. its silly to think he gets a pass tbh
nice strawman.
please, tell me where did i said that it was horde bias?
all what i am saying is that blizzard did all they could to make it as unsastifying as possible if this was really was supposed to be some “payback for teldrassil”.
i am not denying that it was a victory i am saying that it really,really sucked if it was supposed to be our “moment”.
not when we compare it to teldrassil anyway.
Well, you’re not wrong … but considering he’s not super fond of the Alliance (who attempted to assassinate him) … something tells me he’s not the empathetic type (that’s not even dealing with the fact that he’s undead … who as a people have canonically been described having a REAL issue with Empathy). Also, he is a grumpy snark machine … he’s an equal opportunity offender.
We’ll see how things go, but I haven’t made up my mind on him yet. He could just go down swinging as Sylvie’s lapdog, but there might be a Jaime Lannister moment in him yet (BOOK Jaime, not so much show Jaime). After all, Sylvanas’ Warbringers ended with a scene of HER standing alone (not even Nathanos stood by her side anymore). Perhaps that is prophetic?
Him having a change of heart last minute doesnt really change that he has been helping girl hitler wage a war of genocide against the alliance for the whole xpac.
He’s been helping his queen. A woman who helped raise him up to the status of Ranger Lord in life (against the wishes of nearly EVERY other elf; including Lor’themar). She also rescued him from Scourge (as its described he is the ONLY canon Forsaken Sylvie deliberately went out of her way to free from the Lich King’s control; everyone else is implied). To say he is devoted to her is an understatement … and I’m guessing its partially because he believes the future she has envisioned for herself STILL includes both him AND the Forsaken (if no-one else).
“A Good War” ended with a peculiar lesson for Saurfang. That he never really knew Sylvie’s intentions, and he made some absolutely horrific assumptions about her motives (to the extent he repeatedly pushed down concerns over her odd behavior throughout that short story). Blightcaller seems to be making a similar assumption in BfA; in fact its implied several times. He believes that what she is doing is (at the very least) for the Forsaken … which makes me wonder if he’s in for a similar merciless lesson as Saurfang experienced moving forward?
But it was billed as the Alliance response to Teldrassil. Which it wasn’t. The Zandalari weren’t even involved in Teldrassil. That was Sylvanas and the Horde.
I can respect that your time with Rastakhan was wasted. That is my point. He meant nothing to the Alliance Players. He meant something to the Horde players.
His entire purpose was to be thrown away to advance another character’s development (Talanji’s). He had zero impact on the Alliance story outside of his raid encounter.
Now if Rastakhan had ordered the Brennadam attack instead of Sylvanas, you would be on the path to making him important to the Alliance playerbase. But as it was he was just a name being bandied about and just another raid boss like the Spell Blade or Star Augurer bosses from Nighthold.
We can agree to disagree on that. They set the Alliance on a specific course (intentionally no less) for this expansion with Sylvanas and Teldrassil, and they keep trying to weasel out of following through by throws scraps at us.
Rastakhan was nobody to the Alliance. He was barely mentioned. G’huun might have been mentioned more that Rastakhan was and that entire raid was never heard of in the Alliance story.
Trying to hand out a victory then immediately hitting a reset button isn’t satisfying. Why even bother with that cause you are just going to aggravate the players.
Do you feel satisfied with the entire Scepter of the Tides bit where the Horde goes through recruiting Zelling, stealing the scepter, and then having it stolen back the next patch? I know Horde players were upset over that and that is the same deal with the Fleet destruction. Meaningless just like the war campaign for the scepter was.
But hey, you guys got to steal the scepter, right?
And saurfang is just as guilty for genocide but unlike nate, he is actually doing something about it, sorry I dont believe its good for someone who been just helping commit war crimes of that level should get scott free, specially when he has been at her side the whole time, that looks stupid for the alliance and the honor horde.
You mean where horde could barely defeat a bunch of civilians with an 8 to 1 advantage, the element of surprise, the entire horde involved, and azerite superweapons against…one race?
And said one race put up a much better fights against impossible odds compared to the entire horde in UC who barely put up a fight at all and got steamrolled by the alliance effortlessly with far more even odds?
The civilians put up a much better fight than the entire horde military.