You are making a false comparison.
As soon as Azshara and Archimond/Kiljaeden were exposed both Velen and Tyrande opposed them.
They werent following the evil guys around for an expansion or two before finding their moral compass.
How about dont stand with her at Battle for Lordaeron? Why did they stand with her after her genocide?
No i mean slavering trolls throwing spears at tied up captives.
Battle for Lordaeron, Dazaralor, Najatar.
They have displayed they either dont care or do not feel at all sorry for what they are involved with.
You are justifying Horde’s actions like blighting of Southshore or the destruction of the Druid school in Stonetalon as the workings of one individual.
With everyone else within the Horde being shocked and horrified of it.
This is simply not true.
The Horde is actively participating in these events man.
Its just not ONE warchief going rogue.
They have tremendous support.
The Horde is diseased. It will always have elements within it with irrational violence in it.
This is not a one Warchief problem. Its a Horde problem.
When Voljin and Thrall are Warchiefs you still had Wrathgate, IC backstab or Ashran.
When you have Garrosh or Sylvanas you got genocidal war.
It just never ends regardless of who is in charge.
The point is it still happened by a random Horde rather than the warchief.
When the Warchief does something bad. “Oh its just the Warchief! The rest of the Horde was outraged I say! This doesn’t represent the Horde!”
When some general or high ranker does something bad. “The Warchief was outraged I say! This doesn’t represent the Horde!”
When regular soldiers do something bad. " The Warchief and his commanders were outraged I say! This doesn’t represent the Horde!"
And when all else fails and we have to get some idea what the average Horde citizen thinks…
“Sylvanas has the support of the people” or “Most orcs followed Garrosh” until a new retcon.
My point is that the Horde consistently behaves badly and it is varied at all levels it seems.
To get mutually positive endings I think there will have to be less focus on revenge and military victories and more of a focus on narrative resolution. If you try to balance the story with tit for tat revenge and martial victories then the Alliance and Horde fans will just compare what each other got. Its like trying to cut a cookie in half to please two children. I think what’s more important is creating a satisfying conclusion to the storylines that were started. For example, there should really be some kind of story about the Night Elves restoring their homeland/capital or getting a new one. Yeah, Sylvanas needs to be addressed in some fashion but setting the Night Elves up for the future is more important I think. The same kind of thing should probably be done for the Forsaken since their people are in a kind of homeless limbo right now. As a Night Elf fan I wouldn’t really say no to getting a story about defeating/humiliating the Horde, but I know that wouldn’t be positive for Horde fans and would just lead to calls for reprisal against the Night Elves and Alliance.
Agreed, but simply getting a new capital, and filling it with the surviving Night Elves isn’t enough. The survivors need a boon of some sort to make up for the hand they have been dealt. At least the races that were slain by the Scourge had the satisfaction of knowing the mind that controlled the Scourge’s puppet strings was destroyed, and the remainder of the Scourge already exist as mindless monsters so there isn’t even anything that you can do to them that would really make them worse off. The Night Elves get to watch the Horde declared redeemed and can do nothing about the people who partook in the WoT.
Regaining their immortality would fit the bill nicely. If they are going to be this broken and frustrated for the rest of the game, they may as well have something going for them so it still feels good to be a Night Elf.
I personally need an explanation how Baine rushes to Sylvanas’ defence after teldrassil and then spew morality or honor to me.
Every single Horde character needs to explain their actions.
What they have done and continue to do is beyond the pale and they deserve no redemption until we have an explanation why they have followed Sylvanas after Teldrassil.
Fine. You didnt know she would kill everyone. What about afterwards?
What is their excuse?
Honestly, i think that most of the Horde prizes loyalty and unity more than they prize morality or honor. According to some interpretations of faction identity the Horde is supposed to be a “family” of besieged outcast races who are protecting themselves against a hostile world. The Alliance on the other hand finds commonality in shared virtues. So standing up for ideological principles is really more of Alliance thing while sticking with your own people, whether right or wrong, is more of a Horde thing.
Most of the Horde doesn’t seem to care about war or genocide (being that they are now merely generic, monster, Dark Races) but I’d like to think that the Alliance war machine barreling down on the Horde is probably what made Baine join in with circling the wagons. He hates the direction that the Horde allowed itself to be drawn in, but they are still a family to him.
As this forum has shown you can’t please everyone. And a truly even outcome would still upset some chunk of fans who play purely to spite the other side.
Nah, I’m pretty sure that’s what got us Warcraft 3 which was fairly good storywise. Not that everything in WoW has been bad, but it definitely got worse over time.
Apples to Oranges. Writing a story they wanted worked fine in Warcraft 3 because the player wasn’t given the choice to dedicate themselves to one faction or race. WoW does and with giving players that choice you asign yourself the responsibility to make sure all players have something to feel good about.
They don’t. The current writers are to busy trying to assert their fanfic tier writing as being better than the OG team’s writing and don’t care how their customers feel about it.