Is this the Purge nonsense again? They were imprisoned for the most part, not comparable to Teldrassil.
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Jaina did not commit genocide. Sylvanas did. Ethnic cleansing and genocide are also not the same crime. What is your definition of ethnic cleansing?
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A lot of the issues people have with Jaina are the result of the writer’s use of Framing, which is basically baby’s first writing tool, but given the way the faction war poisons objectivity when it comes to the playerbase’s regard for various characters, they can get away with it fairly easily.
Framing is the act of using various narrative devices, either literary or visual or aural, to cast certain acts in the light they want, as opposed to what those acts themselves signify. It can also be done via how other characters react to certain things, while often not actually going in depth as to the consequences of what is being framed as bad, or good. It’s a cheap and easy way to have their big badass killer Horde conqueror moments, while still having the Horde itself appear as a heroic faction.
Jaina’s been a fairly marked subject of framing. Ever since MoP she’s been framed as a warmonger against the Horde, while actively not doing anything against the Horde at all, barring the Purge of Dalaran, which was the result of a magical nuke being stolen on her watch by a certain faction. The Purge represents one of the actually morally grey ‘ends justify to means’ event, where the necessity is ambiguous. But beyond that, despite being framed as one of the biggest Alliance warmongers, Jaina has done nothing but bluster until BfA, and even then, remained reactive. But because of how other characters spoke of her, and how she was shown within the cutscenes, such as Siege of Dazar’alor, she’s cast in the light of a massive warmonger who wants to destroy the Horde utterly down to the last living member.
Framing is very effective when there’s a team mentality, because it allows people to overlook logical inconsistencies with the writing, and how what we’re told doesn’t match up with the outcomes we see. This is how Blizzard’s operated for a while now, it’s just more egregious this expansion because they went way too far in their Rule of Cool with the Burning (though why they assume that’s a cool moment is beyond me). And they’ve tried very hard to frame various things as payback for it, when on paper it’s not equitable, morally or literally, at all.
Faction war lets them be lazy.
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She wanted revange on Arthas and nothing more. If all was needed to kill Arthas was to kill the whole world she would have done that in a heartbeat. So let’s not pretend she did it selflessly.
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But both extremely severe none the less.
Seems as if iv gotten a bunch of people with blue backgrounds all riled up now 
Thats still just like a not OK thing to happen, lol I loved how you also added, ‘for the most part’ too. lmao
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I play Horde too I just like this draenei’s mog and the name. I still can’t believe I managed to snag it.
Well if you want to get into strict definitions ethnic cleansing can overlap with genocide but it can also mean just giving the group the boot from your nation. But yeah, definitely no genocide there.
Well it’s true isn’t it? Some of them were killed.
Well I don’t count because I’m always emotionally unstable and pissed off about something, just depends on what I channel it into.
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Ethnic cleansing does not necessarily merit death, factoring in that Jaina did not mass execute people. Exile perhaps were be a fitting punishment.
If Jaina had killed as many people at Dalaran as Sylvanas killed at Teldrassil then death would be fitting for Jaina as well. But she did not.
Obviously your intention.
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I just read it in my head like you said it so non-chalantly.
Thats fair I also enjoyed your earlier post, well thought out.
Well that’s because I’m mildly sociopathic. In game or in real life? You decide!
The mog cost me an obscene amount of gold, I’ll be damned if I don’t flex with it on the forums.
As to my post, I want to be clear that Horde characters are hit with this as well, it’s just more egregious for Alliance because Blizzard has a fetish for warmonger Horde so they need to do that much more to try and make the factions seem equal on the moral scale. Notably, Sylvanas is a victim of framing, as much as Jaina at this point, in order to make her appear as the sole problem in the Horde, the arbiter of all evil, etc. She cast in the light of this dark mastermind, while on paper her actions make little sense, tactically.
And Saurfang has the opposite issue, with framing, where he’s been the focus of a massive effort to make him the voice of morality on the Horde.
It again all comes down to the faction war, which quite frankly is turning out to be the laziest path they could have gone down, but also the smartest because the playerbase will basically back almost anything so long as it happens to the other ‘team’. As if people haven’t been faction hopping for years now.
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Ill leave with this final point (we’ve beaten this topic to death), they’re both just bad acts that should be dealt with, But people love to ignore or downplay Jainas, and do the opposite for the other.
Either way was some fun forum PvP.
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As long as you agree that Sylvanas’ should be dealt with.
I mean you can do a faction war right, they told us was ‘morally grey’ and ‘faction pride’ but no one got either.
We were also told that Sylvanas is a ‘master strategist’ yet she then proceeds to do dumb things like piss off all of her allies when raising derrick. Then they did make a mistake of trying to make Jaina appeal to the horde.
Only if jaina is too!
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well that would be because they did make the horde the villains, like all the time, even now.
if you look the warbringers jaina is just singing a song.
sylvanas is burning an entire island full of animals,civillians, you name it, alive.
so is easy to see why, don’t you agree?
for the record i do despise what blizzard has done to the horde players and may as well happened to us.
but i can’t say if we were lucky that we weren’t villain batted or unlucky for not being able to have a proper retribution from the deeds.
in the end it sucks for all of us and blizzard should be ashamed.
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TBH I thought that was one of the best war-bringers, like ever. They were all really good.
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I’m of the belief that it’s pretty impossible to do the faction war right because it hamstrings the writers in regards to the various characters. They can’t write characters at full power, they can’t have them do anything really badass without the other faction’s players being angry at it.
We had a faction war for two expansions, they should have let it drop, but they couldn’t resist trying to ape Game of Thrones writing some more.
Also couldn’t resist kicking night elves in the head again. I feel as though one of the writers was rejected by a woman cosplaying a night elf once.
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So to you Rastakhan + Navy equals the same level of humiliation as War of Thorns?
To be fair that was the hordes army minus a few being held off by the town guard and new recuits we ith malf helping out and aginst the hordes army almost their entire military might the reserves had an 8 to 1 kill ratio and lost because of flanking nonsense and attrition. Heck to get in the horde needs a deus ex sylanas pulling a new power out of her butt to hold off the whisp field
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Ok, and just who’s fault is that? The closest option to rebelling I had was finding Saurfang in the swamp.
Yeah cuz he didn’t go bat$hit crazy yet until MoP.
No, cuz we keep getting morally depraved Warchiefs who don’t share the Hordes’ ideals, near constantly. Warchiefs which we nor most leaders of the Horde have no say in choosing.
All religions are, but like Sylvanas they can try to throw justification on their actions with honeyed words, but everyone else sees the action for exactly what it is.
That’s exactly what it does. If someone performs an action that goes against their religious faith but thinks that it’s in support of it, that doesn’t make it, or them, acting any less against their religion.