Sylvanas, Nathanos and Saurfang need to pay.
Not die.
Yeah you heard me, i don’t mind them living but I want them on their knees.
Maybe throw an epic cinematic with victorious Alliance over the evil Horde.
Thats all I want really.
Oh and obviously a take back all that is ours. Maybe in an event of somekind.
You’re confusing payback and humiliation as the same thing.
The Zandalari and Horde forces were lured away from their capital in a feint using their own belief that they had the upper hand (the Horde thought they still had the Abyssal Scepter, same as the Alliance’s own spies were used against them) and got their navy wrecked and lost their leader in pretty much the exact same way that you yourself describe as humiliating.
That the Zandalari were not connected to the War of the Thorns or the burning of Teldrassil is irrelevant to that the Horde was humiliated just the same.
Saurfang been on his knees like 3 times so far this expansion.
I entirely disagree. That was Anduin’s mistake at the Battle for Lordaeron, giving Sylvanas a chance to surrender and be taken into custody, when all that did was give her the time to gloat and set off her trap and escape. They should have tried to kill her on the spot.
Thats an awful weak punishment for a grave offense. Who knows maybe we’ll see something of the same, what sylvanas did and jaina did ARE of the same nature.
So then by that logic, what people are calling for is to severe. Hence the double standard.
You are saying that Jaina has atoned for the above, yet when another character takes similar actions, they all the sudden need to die.
Obviously Lor’themar disagrees with you if he’s been willing to let bygones be bygones with Jaina twice now.
Jaina attempted to kill Orgrimmar. You attempted to kill Jaina. You both did not succeed. Punishment matches the crime.
By no logic is calling for Sylvanas’ death too severe for killing countless innocent people.
I also don’t think Jaina has atoned for the Purge. Merely been punished for it.
Sylvanas has neither atoned or been punished.
??? There was no punishment is the thing. You Fail to mention the purge only Org. Yet you call for punishment for another instance. Thats also not to say that malf cant take lor’themars stance in a few expansions too.
Either way im pretty over it just gets old people constantly asking to wreck someones faction over and over.
We’ll just have to wait and see how this all turns out at this point pretty much.
Just a choo choo train wreck all around.
Malfurion worked with the Horde on Mount Hyjal while they were invading Ashenvale and beyond under Garrosh.
And then Malfurion and Tyrande worked with the Horde on the Broken Isles.
Malfurion and Lor’themar will be shaking hands in the next expansion, I’m sure.
I was really more referring to Lor’themars attitude towards Jaina could mirror Malfurions Attitude towards Sylvanas in the future.
Jaina didn’t try to drown Silvermoon. You’re mixing up two different crimes.
As you are here, too.
Jaina went after innocent Sunreavers. Everyone dismissed her after in the story. And Lor’themar forgave her.
Jaina attempted to drown Orgrimmar and was not allowed to succeed. You got your chance to try to kill Jaina as a raid boss, and you were not allowed to succeed, either.
Two different crimes, both with matching punishments.
That does not make any sense you’re just equating random things.
I don’t think your claims that Jaina has never been punished makes any sense, either.
Yea, you’re saying that people dident take her word anymore, thats not a punishment or atonement for the horde in the first place.
You’re saying that because the alliance dident then get the blood elves the alliance got the brunt of that one? But nothing happened to jaina.
I didn’t say it was atonement. In fact, I said she hasn’t ever atoned for the Purge. She’s never even tried. I said she was punished, as in what happened to Jaina is no one listened to her any more, and she was eventually voted out of the city she committed the crime at.
You’re the one equating random things like the attempted drowning of Orgrimmar and Lor’themar, as if that has any parallel to the burning of Teldrassil and Malfurion. Which it doesn’t, because, once again, Orgrimmar is not Silvermoon.
Jaina wasent voted out, she just left in legion when the horde were allowed back in.
Were just gonna have to agree to dis agree at this point.
Obviously, as I still want Sylvanas dead.
Your double standard is showing 
Only yours.
I believe Jaina was punished. I believe Sylvanas has not been. That’s not a double standard.
A double standard is believing Jaina has not been punished, and wanting her to be, but not wanting Sylvanas to be punished, such as what you want.
I think you’re getting consequences for ones actions and equating that as punishment, while sometimes they run hand in hand they do not always equal eachother.
Plus were not even at the end of BfA so you’re right she hasent been yet, but that is to see. I kinda look forwards to these forums either way when we find out.
What you listed wernt so much punishments but more so minor consequences for her heavy actions.
hello, i got a simple question for you
did jaina commit the same number of “crimes” that sylvanas has?
and what about “heroic” actions?
do you honestly want to compare an event where jaina responded after getting her city nuked by the horde?
lets say that you have troublesoume neighbourns
if your neightbour comes and burns your house and kill all your friends and family, you wouln’t want revenge for them and do them the same?
or you would be the one who actually attacks first by burning them first because you were scared that they would eventually attack in 10 or 50 years?
Look, i understand that what bothers you is people wanting to kill your fav character but i think that you are being dishonest when you say that they are essentially the same and because of that is a double standard, it isn’t.
maybe we could say that they are the faces of the same coin, the difference is that jaina does have friends who stopped her in the first place.
sylvanas… is alone. she even wants to kill her sisters. but i guess thats for another discussion.
or maybe not always punishment ends in the way that you describe.
if real world isn’t a place where justice is perfectly served then neither would be azeroth.
she did payed the consequences for her actions, many of them.
but that doesn’t necesarilly means that she “payed” for “crimes”. she says it herself, she has blood on her hands. even if she thinks that she deserves to die she can’t do it because the alliance and kultiras needs her. kinda interesting if you ask me.