And not being able to stop a prison break in the middle of their biggest city?
Or that city made of stone being lit on fire while it was supposedly still full of refugees that had just escaped a fire?
Or the dead not just being defiled and raised into undead, but then those undead join the very people who killed them?
the prison break where a large contingent of big name horde characters had to run with their tail tucked between their legs whenever an alliance hero showed up? A prison break which would have FAILED if a servant of the old gods did not save their hides? The Alliance did not lose to the horde, they lost to Zul, who then went on to betray the horde btw.
You mean the fire that was quickly put out because the alliance has people capable of putting out a fire that big? something that the horde does not have because the alliance has a monopoly on all of the powerful characters? oh yea man, big humiliation. I mean if it was a horde city it just would have burned because we dont have anyone that could do what jaina can.
Also not humiliation as you caused the enemy to retreat in the face of tyrandes overwhelming power to the point where nathanos had to pull a “ill get you next tiiiiimmmmmmmeee” like a saturday morning cartoon.
And the second part is just dumb.
Well I still agree with your assessment of the Horde story, even if I do not agree with your assessment of the Alliance one.
Dont get me wrong, there are a lot of dumb things about the alliance story, but none of it is humiliating.
I mean Sira “we are forsaken, there is no hope for us”
Tyrande: " we will still accept you!"
Sira “Noooooooooo”
I cringed through the whole thing, it was like something from the CW channel
If thats your definition of humiliation then battle of Lordaeron was the greatest display of humiliation for the Alliance. With Battle for Dzaralor just being the salt in the wound.
Lol not one of those is humiliating.
You basically describe any single piece of small set back or difficulty as humiliating.
That’s not what humiliation is.
And yet succeeds in conquering 3 zones. Burning one to the ground, blighting the other and the fate of the last one is unknown.
Yeah. Such humiliation. Sorry you did not win harder.
Uh peanut, horde is losing the war. The only people complaining about not winning harder is the alliance like yourself.
Honestly i would trade the horde story for the NE one in a heartbeat. The best horde expansion we had story wise is Legion…because we werent in it.
Because a random NPC said so? That’s your humiliation? A line from a voice dialogue?
We won some stuff at a great cost… which you yourself describe as criteria of humiliation.
8:1 is humiliating. That single line of text apparently undos everything the Horde accomplished in WoT.
So I guess Andiun saying “The attack has failed” or soldiers being sacrificed in Nazmire are also great humiliations for the Alliance. Right?
Anduin and slyvanus are random NPCs?
Hey at least you won something, something the horde has yet to have this expansion. We just fight something at a great cost only for it to screw us over so badly we be better off doing literally nothing.
War of Thorns says hello.
Is that the war where we had every advantage, got slaughter by civilians, didnt put even the slightest dent in their military might, and the attack accomplished nothing but make the NE stronger than before?
You won.
You won three whole zones and a capital city. Congrats.
You also wiped out their civilian population. Good job Horde.
Misunderstood good guys doing what they do best.
Yea, we killed an extremely small portion according to both the devs and the recount of the refugees in stormwind.
Face it, you dont have the slightest argument.
Eh. Still won when Saurfang threw that axe. Like you said, stupid. But still won.
I do though.
Fact is the Horde marched through 3 zones. Conquered them. Completely humiliated the Alliance and almost, apparently, wiped out a race.
The Horde needs to be equally humiliated.
If you want you can have 1 orc can kill 10 humans fantasy but I want to march through 3 of your zones and destroy your city. ON PURPOSE.
The Horde has been thoroughly humiliated in Zandalar and their war campaign at large.
Do you view the Zandalari as the Horde that burned down Teldrassil?
Or find Rastakhan responsible somehow?
There is honestly no way to do a Malfurion vs X horde character fight justice without it either coming off as hamfisted (like the axe to the back) or without every horde character jumping him at the same time. Maybe if Kael thalas joined the horde back in the day, that would have been an interesting fight. Fire vs nature.
He did fight the strongest person we had and was winning.
No. The Horde that burned down Teldrassil beyond Nathanos doesn’t even exist. We didn’t even get to see what the NPCs manning the catapults look like.
However I do see the Horde players that were sent to Zandalar and who did the Horde War Campaign to be the same ones as the ones that marched on the War of the Thorns, assuming they participated in that event.
Hell, if anything, Horde players that chose not to participate in that event didn’t even deserve the questing they’ve gotten in BfA.
So the Horde should not only have fewer characters, but should also have fewer capital cities and zones than the alliance?
and this is…fair?
But if you want, you can have both TB and silvermoon. For free. Hell, you could have had them before BFA. Nobody even freakin uses silvermoon, its been abaddoned since BC.
So why would defeating the Zandalari render any payback for Teldrassil and what the Horde did and all those responsible supposedly.
Horde does something and Alliance responds in kind.
Undercity would have been a great humiliating moment for the Horde but Blizzard decided to give the final victory to the Horde (Ion’s words).
Unfortunately a lot of people have had terrible time questing but the Horde has yet to be humiliated to the same level as WoT.