After several soul searching expansions, dear god more villain bat incoming.
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Trust me I don’t like villain batting the Horde. I do like most of its races and my anger is directed to certain individuals rather than the whole faction.
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Oh, it does happen. I just spent a good chunk of this thread talking about it before it spiraled out of control
Back on the main topic at hand … is it possible to obtain a mutually positive ending for ALL the current factions of the fanbase? No … it is not. There IS a possibility for at least a tolerable (if not outright positive) ending for BfA for THREE of the FOUR groups. With some very tricky writing, Blizz could manifest a reasonable enough ending for the: Peace Alliance; Vengeance Alliance; and Honor Horde to propel them into the next expansion with at least some momentum.
However … to satisfy these three, the fourth (the Horde Loyalists) would have to take the fall. Sylvanas Windrunner at this point cannot be validated in her actions without utterly invalidating the actions of the three groups currently opposing her. If she were to get validated (in any mcguffiny way) … it would undermine the reasons the others have for moving against her in some pretty fundamental ways. This is not to say that I think Sylvanas’ wont recieve a “positive” ending to this expansion (in fact I very much expect her to succeed in some way) … but those successes are unlikely to validate her (and are VERY likely to leave the Horde Loyalist players behind).
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Sadly the timetravel option is the less disgusting and it shouldnt be this is like a last resort i shouldnt be looking forward to this.
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Sure, Jan.
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That’s fine with me if she leaves us behind. I’ve long since made peace with the fact that I’m going to need to deal with Warchief Baine. I also know I will get away with all my messiness I’ve been engaging in throughout the expansion so I don’t need her to stick around to protect me or anything. I’ll consider Sylvanas leaving for a few expansions but still being out there doing whatever shady stuff she does a satisfying end for me.
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I am taking into account the last 15 years worth of lore:
Blood Elves have already returned to Dalaran twice. And Lor’themar has joined up with Jaina twice now since the Purge.
Draenei of all people are the quickest to team up with the Horde at any given opportunity.
Blood Elves are allied with the Orcs. Saurfang was Doomhammer’s liutenant in command of the rearguard when the Horde marched on Quel’Thalas. The Night Elves killed Humans for cutting trees same as they killed Orcs in Warcraft III instead of talking to them.
Forgiving and forgetting things is a large part of what Warcraft’s lore is.
Did you see my original suggestion of Battlefield: Ashenvale? And of making the NPCs that were involved with the burning as raid bosses in the final raid?
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I definitely feel worse for the Horde players in this regard. While the Alliance story has long had issues, I’ve never had significant issues that weren’t more-so related to the overall narrative or poor writing decisions not necessarily tied to the faction.
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Its an arguable point the horde has had it worse from a story point, pretty much sit out the entire legion xpack (seriously how did the Orcs and Belves not do like anything to the legion, they have massive beefs with them) then BAM right back into the villans seat (like what less than 4ish years later), after WoD was pretty much cut short too.
I feel pretty shorted all around.
Both sides have problems with their story though, the alliance is generally to passive, and the horde just goes full throttle.
We may just have to chalk it up at the end of the day to well thats just warcraft, the rules of our world dont necessarily apply to warcrafts.
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same reason why neither jaina or sylvanas had a much more presense during whrath
or humans from lordaeron/forsaken, or belts to an extent.
blizzard simply didn’t had time to give everyone their proper time.
too many had pending issues with arthas.
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You mean the Sylvanas Loyalists?
Referring to them as Horde loyalists would suggest that they are loyal to the Horde at large, as opposed to only being loyal to Sylvanas and her Forsakenist agenda.
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Your argument reminds me of the talking heads on TV.
Christianity is good! Until some guy does something crazy in the name of christianity.
Suddenly he is not a real christian.
So anytime a member of the Horde does a bad thing then suddenly they stop being Horde.
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but they did have a story in wrath, orc and blood elf beef with legion was never brought up.
You are forgetting warlords.
“The Horde is at a crossroads, once again.” - That is the line that convinced me that this expansion was all about the Horde and the Alliance was the back drop/bit-player.
Now, that doesn’t mean that the Horde is getting a good or fun or exciting story. It just means that we really are getting a do over of Cata/MoP where Alliance players say “We aren’t getting a story” and Horde players say “We don’t want the story we are getting.”
Plus ça change…
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Okay, let’s see how much property damage we can cause with this original intent of this thread:
Sylvanas masses an army in Orgrimar for the purposes of attacking Thunderbluff in reprisal to Baine’s rescue. Baine and Thrall assemble forces to defend the gates of mulgore, but Sylvanas uses the most recent airships built to do bombing runs using the blight on Thunderbluff.
This event mirrors Teldrassil where those who sided with Saurfang and Baine suffer a horrific defeat akin to the Night Elves at the hands of Sylvanas.
Then Talanji and Rokhan launch an assault on the Exodar, one of the last bastions on Kalimdor for the Allaince. During the assault they are joined by first Gey’arah and then Gallywix as they aid Talanji on overcoming the Exodar’s defenses. At the last moment the vindicaar appears flying off loaded with the Dreanei and they fire its lazers destroying the Exodar.
This event mirrors Undercity where Velen and the Draenei make an organized retreat and sabotage the Exodar to keep it from falling into the Horde’s hands.
That is followed by Saurfang leading the Honor Horde to Org where Tyrande is leading the Night Elves. We get Battlefront Durotar where things boil over with Tyrande and the Night Elves against Saurfang and the Honor Horde over Saurfang’s role in the Burning of Teldrassil.
While the Night Elves and the Honor Horde battle Sylvanas and her forces leave Org with the only Naval power left standing: Helya’s Kavaldir.
Joined with Helya’s forces Sylvanas launches twin assaults on both Stormwind and Silvermoon City. This are mirror raids with same boss mechanics but different art assets, Stormwind lead by Sylvanas and Silvermoon lead by Nathanos.
There is 4 encounters to the Alliance defending Stormwind raid. First they defend the harbor with Admiral Rogers, when the harbor is over run they fall back to the Cathedral with Halford Wrymsbane. When the Cathedral falls, Genn Greymane holding the Dwarven section while civilians escape on the deeprun tram to Ironforge. The Final event is Anduin revealing himself at the Keep’s gates when the Tram is about to be overrun, luring the attacking forces to his location.
When Anduin is almost dead, the sky darkens as Archerus appears above the raid and the 4 Horsemen attack Sylvanas. The remaining Val’kyr betray and abandon Sylvanas who is captured and drug off by the Horsemen (over the protests of Anduin) to face Bolvar’s judgment. (Loot from the encounter is a gift from Anduin)
The Silvermoon Raid goes the same with Lady Liandrin, Hauldron, Rommath, and Lor’themar being the ones the Horde raid defends in the locations. When Lor’themar is about to fall in the final part, Dalaran arrives over head and teleports out the raid (receiving the loot as a gift from Lor’themar).
Players who sided with Sylvanas get a special cut scene with Nathanos at the Sunwell where Nathanos stabs them in the back with Xal’atah. As the PC falls dying, Nathanos’ begins to corrupt the Sunwell for an unknown purpose. The PC then sees Bwonsamdi who laughs and tells the PC his/her work isn’t done yet. The PC is then at Org’s graveyard with a purely for fluff Amnesia debuff (lasts until the reset).
With Stormwind wrecked the Alliance is forced to regroup back in Ironforge in the Eastern Kingdoms and the Horde is left with Orgrimar on Kalimdor with the various other groups (Centaurs, Quillboars, Kobolds, Gnolls, etc) seeing their weakness and sensing an opportunity.
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It depends on the crazy deed.
For example, something like shooting up a school goes against one of the Ten Commandments (Thou shalt not kill) which are the fundamental laws firmly established within the religion and therefore the perpetrator’s actions are considered non-christian.
Yes, because in the majority of cases those bad things go AGAINST modern Horde ideologies and therefore they are no longer considered Horde. They are now nothing more than a war criminal and an extremist.
Like, why do you think Horde had a civil war last time?
Power politics of the warchief making plays against their own people.
Its been a year since Teldrassil and not a single Horde leader has rebelled.
Just like Garrosh. The Horde followed him for two whole expansions.
Seems to me the Horde does not live up to its supposed ideals near constantly.
BTW Christianity is riddled with inconsistencies. If some guy wanted to find validation for his crazy he is going to find it.
But that doesnt make him any less a christian than others.
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Tyrande or Shandris puts an arrow in Sylvanas’ head, she stays dead, and we put the stupid faction war we’ve been going back and forth on to rest finally. Keep wpvp and battlegrounds for people that enjoy it but never make it a major plotpoint again.
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