So we’re being told that the Murozond fight is in Azeroth’s future, it’s inevitable right as Nozdormu told us.
But that can’t be the correct future, because there’s one thing we’re missing here. The reason that Nozdormu is going to be able to resist this with our help is because the End Times fight with Murozond is a POSSIBLE future.
If you look carefully, you see Deathwing impaled on the Wyrmrest tower; but we’ve already killed him, he can’t be on that tower if he’s already dead.
So this means I’ve already debunked the plot of Dragonflight?
But Murozond physically traveled to that possible future, just like we did. We didn’t travel to a possible future and fight an alternate version of Murozond, if that’s what you’re getting at.
But Deathwing is already dead, if this isn’t our future, meaning that it’s a timeline that has nothing to do with us, Deathwing in THAT timeline with the End Times fight means that we (the heroes) didn’t kill Deathwing.
Meaning that it’s possible we CAN save Nozdormu because our future doesn’t involve Deathwing impaled on a tower.
I refuse to worry about it until Murozond actually shows up in the game. Blizzard has changed so many things that were definitely going to happen in the future already that I don’t see why this should be any different.
Murozond isn’t from the End Time future. He’s from another future and just used the End Time timeline as his base.
He says something like “this future is better than the one I saw” when you fight him. He wants End Time to happen because he prefers it over the future he actually comes from.
Also I’m betting on DF’s final boss being Galakrond, not Murozond. Yes we’ll probably see Nozdormu become Murozond and probably fight him in a raid, but it won’t be the final raid. The main villains of the expac are the Primalists and they worship Galakrond.
The End Time dungeon is a possible future, which Murozond saw as a blessing compared to the “True End Time” and essentially created a pocket dimension around it in order to use it as his case of operations.
Edit: From the Murozond wowpedia article:
At least initially, whether Nozdormu’s fate was inevitable seems to have been unclear. Nozdormu stated that the End Time was not an “inevitable” future,[8]Alurmi adds afterwards that the End Time was overwritten as a timestrand,[9] and Alexstrasza in her post-Cataclysm meeting with Nozdormu and others confirms that they “had altered that future forever”, thereby erasing his responsibility for Murozond.[10] Chronicle Vol. 3 however stated that Nozdormu’s fate was “inescapable”.[11]
So it just really depends on Blizzard deciding to spare Nozdormu or not.
I actually dislike the idea of Nozdormu becoming Murozond. Like its his fate to become Murozond and there is nothing he can do to change that. I still remember the Argus ending cinematic where Velen says to Illidan “Our survival was never in fates hands”, hell even Starcraft ll Wings of Liberty had the saying “We are who we choose to be” if you believe that the future is not fixed. Blizzard’s sets up stories that are in the defiance of “Fate”.
If Nozdormu becomes Murozond it because it’s his “fate” I think its bad writing. Deathwing, Malygos and now Nozdormu? Come on it just sounds bad. What would be interesting is perhaps as the player you begin a quest to find an alternative path for Nozdormu that would prevent his corruption into Murozond and perhaps a raid encounter where we assist Nozdormu from falling into that path. Nozdormu has been searching the time ways for thousands of years to prevent that future it would be a great opportunity for it to be a quest chain for the player to find that alternative solution. I’m bored of “killing dragons” because of “X” corruption. Deathwing and Malygos were enough…killing Nozdormu seems lazy.
He becomes Murozond because it has happened, and it will happen. He became Murozond because of a developing psychosis that can afflict any Time Traveler who does the ONE thing that the Doctor warns all time travelers against. He witnessed his own death. It was the Titan’s bright idea to humble him, it backfired big time.
Yes they did. Lore wise though they have lost the ability to see the Timeways with absolute clarity. Which is why the created the Timewalkers which includes mortals. It also potentially means there ability to change and manipulate time has been weakened.
The Book War Crimes indicates this is one factor in which leads Kairoz to ally with Garrosh Hellscream leading up to the events of WoD.
After the Dragon Aspects’ loss of power following the fall of Deathwing, the bronze dragons required mortal help to police the timeways. Vowing to protect them at any cost, the Keepers of Time reformed themselves as the Timewalkers,
a new faction comprised of both dragons and mortals.
If our referring to “End Time” in Cata that is one potential timeline one in which we prevented. Nozdormu has been searching timeways for thousands of years to determine if there a timeway in which he doesn’t end in tragedy. Grand Magistrix Elisande is similar in that she also used temporal magic to determine if there was any way of avoiding annihilation from the Legion if she continued to opposed them. She never saw a possible future were the Legion lost. She never saw one but in the end we won.
Timeways are infinite and if there is one possible future were Nozdormu doesn’t get corrupted it would take a very long long time. Possibly even longer than he’s already alive.
I would not compare Doctor Who or any television series and even other video games with regards to time travel because how each show/game explains and or utilizes it time travel is different.
WoW calls it timeways and there each a possible future. They could just call it the multiverse but they don’t.
I’m inclined to think Nozdormu being shown his death is still functioning exactly as it was meant to. Just because Nozdormu is destined to become and die as Murozond doesn’t mean he knows the full context and arrangement of circumstances by which he’ll eventually reach that fate. Which means his every action as the Aspect of Time is informed by the possibility of it leading to him becoming Murozond.
Nozdormu saw his death, but he isn’t said to have been shown everything leading up to it. So rather than presenting him with a clear sequence of events that he could try to avoid, the titans instilled in him a perpetual awareness that any sequence of events will eventually lead to Murozond, so trying to plan it all out himself and make selfish changes that destabilize the true timeline to avoid that outcome is impossible and therefore not even worth trying. One death as Murozond is no better than another insofar as the death itself. Doing his job is no more or less likely to prevent it than shirking his duty and squandering his power trying to keep it from happening, so doing his job becomes the inherently preferable path because while it has the same approximate end for him, it at least preserves Time and everything else.
I get the feeling that Murozond might be an outcome that exists across a multitude of possible eventualities, and the one we fought in the End Time isn’t necessarily even the Murozond that’s destined to happen the way it happened. In the dungeon we closed off a false timeline Murozond had been preserving, so in a way by the very act of defeating him then and there, averting that End Time in the process, we may have effectively made that specific Murozond not the “true” one. Even his Adventure Guide entry contradicts things, as the Old Gods talking Nozdormu into becoming the Murozond we fought has become an extremely unlikely (and frankly overly simplistic) scenario with Azeroth’s Old Gods neutralized, so the “true” Murozond is probably the product of a different series of events, while the one in the End Time and an infinite multitude of other possible Murozonds “out there” are all potentialities of other timelines, some of which may try to intrude upon ours again in the future. The End Time Murozond’s origin is keyed so specifically to the Old Gods’ plan at the time (stop us from getting the one weapon that could kill Deathwing) that he strikes me as less and less likely to be the Murozond and rather one that was instigated by the Old Gods particularly for that function. They did it before, after all, with the “Blackmoore conquers the Alliance” reality being an entire false timeline deliberately utilized by the Old Gods to strike at Thrall in the main one; who’s to say they couldn’t have done something similar by influencing the Murozond produced by another false timeline to intrude upon ours in a manner that benefits them in that moment?
Heck, for all we know, all Murozonds could turn out to be products of false timelines and Nozdormu was deliberately shown a false end by Aman’thul because he knew it would forever shape and inform Nozdormu carrying out his duties as the Aspect of Time in a manner that would keep him from actually becoming like a Murozond.
Nozdormu says: At last it has come to pass. The moment of my demise. The loop is closed. My future self will cause no more harm.
Nozdormu says: Still, in time, I will… fall to madness. And you, heroes… will vanquish me. The cycle will repeat. So it goes.
Nozdormu says: What matters is that Azeroth did not fall; that we survived to fight another day.
Nozdormu turns away from where Murozond died and looks up at the Hourglass of Time.
Nozdormu says: All that matters… is this moment.
So while we prevented that future where Deathwing was impaled on Wyrmrest Temple, there will still be a future, according to Nozdormu, where we are forced to kill him after he goes mad and becomes Murazond.
The only thing preventing me from agreeing with this is I’m pretty sure Nozdormu says “This is the death I saw all those years ago” after we killed Murozond in End Time.
I think you’re confusing Murozond with Kilrogg Deadeye in Hellfire Citadel, who says “At last! This is the death I saw.” Murozond says “You know not what you have done. Aman’Thul… What I… have… seen…”
“At last it has come to pass, the moment of my demise. The loop is closed. […] The cycle will repeat. So it goes.” is the quote, and to me that makes it sound like the End Time death is the one he saw.
