Oh my bad. I misread your post.
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Not really.
He becomes Murozond because he will try and prevent it from happening. One often meets their destiny on the path they take to avoid it. Nozdormus character arc is that quote. He saw into the future to see who sent Rhonin and co back in time. Found out it was him. Went into a depressed state by trying to find one possibility where he doesn’t become Murozond. He never did. Simply because he becomes Murozond by trying to change fate.
The concepts of fate and free will are weird. One could say that trying to avoid fate is actually working towards your fate. Which is why that above quote exists. In fact the whole purpose of the infinite dragonflight was to change fate. Just in WoW we have
- Prevent Thrall from becoming Warchief of the Horde by killing him (Escape from Durnholde)
- Prevent Medivh from bringing the Old Horde to Azeroth (Black Morras)
- Try and change the outcome of the battle for Mount Hyjal (this one never made it into the game cause reasons. It was the original intention behind the Battle for Mount Hyjal raid)
- Try and kill you in the past (Mystery of the Infinite, Redux)
- Kill Arthas before he begins his negative character arc of becoming the very evil he tried to stop (Culling of Stratholme)
- Prevent Nozdormu from retrieving the Dragon Soul in the past (End Time)
We also have the previously mentioned time travel plot in the WotA trilogy. In which the bronze dragonflight tried to prevent the near extinction of the Blue Dragonflight. Only for it to happen anyway thanks to the Nexus War.
I mean would you say it was bad writing in Kung Fu Panda that Shifu’s attempt to prevent his former student from escaping prison was what allowed Tai Lung to escape? As it was the messenger’s feather that allowed him to escape. Even though Oogway warned Shifu that trying to prevent fate would hasten it?
It was the same as AU Kilrogg. He didn’t know when or where, just who would do the deed. At first he rejects the Blood of Mannoroth believing he could change his fate. Only to realize that it would actually bring it. So he took the improved blood Gul’dan offered. One often meets their destiny on the path they take to avoid it.
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Well, AU Kilrogg’s not a great comparison because he was never trying to avoid the death he saw. Knowing how he would die made him sure he would survive any other circumstances, granting him the certainty and clarity of vision to previously lead his clan to victory against impossible odds, and when the players finally faced him in the raid he was eager to see that destiny fulfilled at last and receive his glorious death.
Kilrogg in particular never thought he could his change his fate, and moreover he never wanted to change it. The death he saw was the death that he wanted, and in the end it was the death that he got.
Nozdormu’s been basically portrayed as resigned to his eventual fate. He isn’t trying to make it happen, but he doesn’t seem to be trying to avoid it either. Which is arguably the very sort of mindset the titans may have been trying to create in him by showing him his death.
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So then why drink the blood of mannoroth after the Iron Horde was dismantled if doing so would lead to his death? Why even refuse it in the first place if dying a fel infused orc was the death he saw?
Because why pass over all those glorious victories to be had without the blood curse if he can have them with the surety that he’ll survive, and wait to finally drink when there are no other options left? Besides, one might consider that the death he’d have seen would have been as a fel-corrupted orc per the MU, as AU Kilrogg’s vision predated Garrosh altering the timeline. In either case he’d be corrupted at his death.
It’s why he finally did drink it. And Gul’dan knew it. He tells Kilrogg as much: “You’ve seen your fate. You know what must be done.” Kilrogg had seen his death, and in that death he’d accepted the blood curse, so while riding the Iron Horde train to glory conquest in the knowledge that he couldn’t die had been fun, with that over and Gul’dan taking back control, it was time to finally make the glorious death he’d seen happen.
Except there was no glorious conquest. The Iron Horde couldn’t even conquer their own continent. The Frost Wolves and the Draenei repelled them.
We repelled them. Before the players arrived the Iron Horde had been on a winning streak. Without the MU Horde the Frostwolves were going to be overrun by the Thunderlords’ Iron Horde reinforcements. Without the MU Alliance the draenei were going to be overrun by the Iron Horde in tandem with Ner’zhul’s use of the Dark Star. It was the (presumably Garrosh’s) idea to invade Azeroth before fully securing Draenor that prevented them from steamrolling their homeworld much as the original Horde did theirs. Without our intervention, the draenei and the Frostwolves didn’t stand a chance.
Kilrogg wanted his eventual death. It’s right there in his Dungeon Journal entry.
" Kilrogg Deadeye, Warlord of the Bleeding Hollow, seized control of his clan after performing a ritual to learn of his death. With this knowledge, he led his clan fearlessly on countless campaigns, marching toward the glorious end he desires. Now, with demon blood coursing through his veins, Kilrogg awaits you in Hellfire Citadel, awaiting the moment of his death, or yours."
In effect every struggle he engaged in since his vision amounted to Kilrogg looking for the death he saw. Hoping each engagement would bring him closer to and eventually deliver it. While secure in the knowledge that certain foes - like the arakkoa, the draenei and the Frostwolves - couldn’t kill him and deny him that death, because only we could do that.
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hopefully we wait until he becomes murozond to actually kill him, if we kill him while he’s still nozdormu, for… reasons, I could see it coming back to bite us. There’s a reason the bronze flight allowed us to slay murozond and not nozdormu, killing him before he starts the infinite flight and goes down that road would apparently be a worse thing than allowing his fate to come to fruition, doesn’t mean his fate is destined, only that if others decide to not listen to the bronze flight and choose their own form of universal destiny (think of the whole dr. strange giving away the green gem thing) then they are directly in opposition to how Nozdormu has determined the future should unfold. You have to keep in mind however since the beginning of the age of mortals Nozdormu hasn’t had his hands on the reigns of fate, not much on that has been exactly fleshed out, but for all we know Nozdormu knew the age of mortals was coming and he cloned himself and put it inside a glass prism floating through the dark beyond, only to return and become murozond when the void shatters the prism.
We have
We have experienced Nozdormu’s beginning (via external media) and his end (End Time). We just need the middle. The series of events that turn him into Murozond. Hence why many think that he would survive if he fight in as a raid boss.
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If ysera went to the shadowlands in death, I wouldn’t be surprised if the other flights are able to go there as well. Deathwing, Alex and Kalec are pretty boring, if there’s any malicious intent in the future of the shadowlands I’d guess it could pull some strings and chain the master dragon of time.
It is possible that they were always destined to go to the shadowlands. From what we can gather in Shadowlands is that Ysera ended up in Ardenweald and in a life seed because of Elune interfering.
Which you know, suggest dragons don’t normally go to the shadowlands. At least not ones as powerful as Ysera. It’s why everyone was shocked when they found out there was a dragon in the wild seed.
They probably go some dragon specific afterlife, if there is one. I’m thinking somewhere in the Lifelands or some such
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They go to G’Hanir, that was established in the WotA books.
Well at least not to Ardenweald as that was mainly reserved for Wild Gods. And since you can see the spirits of Ysondre and co at the end of the Emerald Nightmare raid, seems to imply that thanks to Freya, Green Dragons would go to the Emerald Dream when killed. Even regular mortal souls appearing in Ardenweald was a shock. Hence why they get soul shapes instead. In which I would consider regular dragons (aka non-aspects) to be ‘regular mortals’. Even more so following the Hour of Twilight.
And it was established in both Chronicles vol 1 and Legion (example being Ursoc following his death in Wrath) that the Wild Gods Freya blessed would go to the Emerald Dream if they died. Yet we encounter Ashamane (whom was one of the Wild Gods Freya blessed) in the Maw as Mueh’zala threw her into there after she refused to join him. And that request was made while she was in Ardenweald. As her wild seed was one of the ones that were ‘missing’. And unlike Ursoc, Ashamane never died in the Emerald Dream from what we know. Ursoc ending up in Ardenweald was the result of his death in Legion, where he died inside the Emerald Dream.
I wouldn’t trust Blizzard when it comes to things like this now.
Note that I think it is implied that the Wild Gods Freya blessed are the ones that are considered to be part of the ‘Ancient Guardians’ subset. Which included Wild Gods like Ursoc and Ashamane. Meanwhile Wild Gods like Hakkar or Shanda were not part of the group Freya blessed. Hence why they went to Ardenweald following their deaths. Well for Shanda, the maw for the 3rd death. At least we can infer that she went to Ardenweald after her first (vanilla) and second (cata) deaths.
Speaking of which, since we kill Hakkar in Zul’Gurub, does that mean Hakkar went to the Maw following his death in De Other Side dungeon? Oh god. One of the souls Sylvanas has to rescue is Hakkar the Soulflayers.
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Not only that, but we’ve already seen how the Murozond thing plays out. Just going through it in more detail with no surprises seems like it would be boring.
It’s the same reason I know they’re never going to have Alleria snap and go full Void. We’ve already seen what that looks like in the Horrific Visions, so there’s no point in doing it again.
And we’ve killed a lot of Green dragons over the years, but we don’t see any others in Ardenweald.
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The canon lore for the Emerald Dream/Ardenweald is as follows:
When a being of nature dies (which includes wild gods and dragons) they go to Ardenweald. It is in Ardenweald where they recuperate and once they have recuperated fully within their wild seed, they are reborn and released into the Emerald Dream where they continue to exist until such time when they are called back to the living world.
That being said, I am honestly surprised they used Ashamane, and I think they forgot how long it’s been since Ashamane died. Ashamane was killed during the War of the Ancients, and we’ve not seen her appear in a physical form at all. Now it’s possible that she was killed again when the Emerald Nightmare was corrupting the dream, but without confirmation it’s hard to say. Either way, Ashamane should have been reborn from her Wildseed a long time ago, given that Ursoc has been reborn multiple times since the War of the Ancients (first in Wrath of the Lich King, then again in Legion)
But instead her wildseed was stolen and when she refused to ally with the Jailer she was tossed into the Maw.
Also keep in mind that Chronicle Vol 1 was officially written from the perspective of a Titan Watcher, so their view on the Emerald Dream may be completely wrong.
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that va kills it.
srsly if hes the dragonflight final boss they need to bring this va back
The “End Time,” I once called this place. I had not seen, by then; I did not know. You hope to… what? Stop me, here? Change the fate I worked so tirelessly to weave?
We had an entire expansion where we all went back in time and saw our Draenei/Orc ancestors and our only explanation to them was “Hello”.
So yeah you might have.
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Considering the Black Locus Quest it seems the Old Gods aren’t off the table just yet. There still seems to be one under the Dragon Isles whispering through the Black Locus.
We simply killed the 2 weakest Old Gods(G’huun & N’Zoth) plus one Old God not even bothering with Mind Control instead relying on brute force(C’Thun) and one Old God that was imprisoned and thus incapable of going all out(Yogg-Saron).