Multiple classes get tuning passes, DH ignored

Classes Demon Hunter
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hopium is bad darling

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i don’t understand why the latest buffs were pvp only? they would have helped dh a bit in pve too. the felblade change would have been a nice qol because it would have made felblade less of a potential waste of a gcd, since its damage would have been brought up roughly equal or slightly higher than chaos strike, since it at least does chaos damage. the immolation aura changes would have been welcome too, to help with cleave. honestly no idea why they didn’t just implement them?

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Regarding DH in PVE:

My guess is that they are having trouble trying to figure out how to tune DH for M+ without making their performance in raid overpowered. Right now, DH is doing well in raid - it’s really only in M+ they are performing poorly. They might need to set up tuning specific to raid, and tuning specific to M+ or things will continue to be terrible.

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Wish I lived in the world where dh was doing well in raids

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I mean, according to archon.gg they are. Not the best by any stretch, but also not the worst.

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i mean while any buffs are better than no buffs it certainly wouldnt come close to higher than chaos strike. My felblade (without any buffs) is 130,180 damage, +20% would bring that to 156,216. My chaos strike is 190,385 and leaves an extra 35% (66,634) as a 6s dot for a total of 257K damage. That’s also not taking into account relentless onslaught or serrated glaive for raid.

Felblade is fire by default in the class tree, so it only gets partial benefit from our mastery through the talent Any Means Necessary. Chaos Strike is 100%* chaos damage by default.

(Edit: burning blades is fire, but it for some reason gets the full 100% value of our mastery and as pointed out below i forgot to include mastery for it at all and just did a flat 35% chaos strike damage)

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Forgot BB mastery scaling there

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I will just have to get better at havoc then.

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true, good catch. So even more for chaos strike lol

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It does not perform well it raids. At all.

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Sadly, the data appears to contradict that statement. Perhaps I should define what I mean by “well” and that may alleviate some confusion. When I say they are performing well, I mean that they are considered “A” and “B” tier for Mythic and Heroic raid tiers as per the metrics used on archon.gg - which include throughput (B tier), survivability (A tier), and popularity (A tier)… Take a look for yourself.

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you just described 1 thing thats B tier that matters for that content and 2 things that are irrelevant lmfao go to bed lil jit

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And I would describe ‘B’ tier as “doing well”. If your definition differs, that’s fine. Also, are you trying to hurt me in some way?

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Please don’t use archon.gg for spec data lol

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No, that person spits poison in the face of anyone that even mildly disagrees with him. He’s not good at confrontation.

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My friend I am just calling out someone who is clearly using pseudo evidence to push a bs point across, much like you did when you tried to positively gaslight our community into being grateful for our “oP auto attack buff”.

DH is bad, not only is DH bad, but people up front say on these forums they want it to be bad, and then idiots like you (1550 pvper) and them (1500 pvper unable to complete nerub on heroic) come out of the woodwork supporting them in your stupidity, it’s actually insanely cringe. Either you are an idiot or a troll, in the same vein that “popularity” isn’t a metric for raid dps but the above poster used it as one, or you claiming we should all rejoice for our 0.3% pvp buff that you were too illiterate to realize was a pvp buff and even claimed was a pve buff.

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Popularity is such a non metric since you have to bring a dh to raid and you would rather bring a bad dps (havoc) over a bad tank (Veng)

The throughput tier list is also nonsensical based on their own metrics lmao

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See? Just straight venom for no reason. Add to ignore list.

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I care less what Archon’s opinion is. When i look at where they stack up on the chart they’re lower quartile. Someone always has to be at the bottom, obviously, but they really dont bring much to the table besides dps and there are classes that bring more and still smash their dps. not to
mention they’re more difficult to execute well with due to the movement requirements.

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The mods in the discord can get f###ed.

No one was calling for momentum to be nerfed to f### 6 years ago when it was ~4% higher on sim-c than demonic and only the parselord chads where taking it.

Yet if you type into google or yt “demon hunter how much of” it will almost universally complete to “a dps loss is no mover” People hate the playstyle. We dont want to be forced to play it because some sweat lords think its fun.

If the sweat lords want to squeze out a few dps more we a much more complex spec that sacrfices almost all of your movement ability, go for it. Our dps is still so low we are a meme class only brought for chaos brand.

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