Multiboxing griefing

[Ruggi-turalyon]

@Sacrodruid-frostmourne

At a certain point I think griefing is a legitimate concern.

I agree, we also need to do something about 120s killing me in Westfall at level 20

[Ravenhawk-blackwater-raiders]

@Phatfarm-shattered-hand

Broadcasting a key stroke to other clients to duplicate your own key stroke is automation.

Blizzard doesn’t think so. I defer to their definition than yours

[Rhythalia-stormrage]

Eventually it will turn into World of Multiboxing. Multiboxing are cheaters and nothing will change my mind.

What happened from 12 Druid is perfect example.

[Phatfarm-shattered-hand]

Feel free to do that. Ill use my god given right to respectfully disagree with you and Blizzard and kindly request them to reconsider.

[Ruggi-turalyon]

@Rhythalia-stormrage

Multiboxing are cheaters and nothing will change my mind.

What happened from 12 Druid is perfect example.

Multiboxing is not cheating, and nothing will change my mind.

What happened to me in westfall is perfect example

[Kneeshooter-amanthul (Kneeshooter)]

@Phatfarm-shattered-hand

See above. Blizzard has changed their mind in the past and they can in the future.

Of course they can. They may even. But until that day comes, mboxing is not against the rules, it is not cheating, it is not automation. It is a gameplay system that is permitted by the people who have the right to do the permitting.

Blizzard indicated they were removing flight from the game, in order to promote who-knows-what play purposes. The outrage was huge and they changed their minds. You’d probably get a very similar response if they indicated they were removing mboxing. Not only would all those extra accounts (and subscriptions and expansion packs) disappear, but the players’ own accounts probably would as well. There are a lot of games out there now, and a few very good ones on the horizon. I doubt very much if they would do themselves that much damage for no good reason.

[Rankin-shandris (Rankin)]

@Phatfarm-shattered-hand

Broadcasting a key stroke to other clients to duplicate your own key stroke is automation.

It’s not automation though. Each character is performing a single action in response to a single button press. And if you go AFK, they don’t do anything on their own. The software isn’t creating any new commands. Which is the crucial difference between multiboxing and botting.

@Phatfarm-shattered-hand

Raid groups are fine because the game can actually try to put other players in there. But if the other players are multiboxers than I wont be surprised if the server becomes more in favor of one faction than the other as the raid group with players will hunt the faction with less overall people because as was mentioned earlier the multiboxers will just cozy on into one corner.

So you either have a raid group in one area or a multiboxer in one spot. That leaves the vast majority of the zone to be unbalanced.

@Phatfarm-shattered-hand

Thats a horrible example because it makes no sense. You are very aware that you need a special program that duplicates keys outside the custom keyboard driver.

It makes absolute sense. You’re the one who has redefined “automation” so broadly that it applies to anyone with a computer. Don’t blame me because I"m taking your argument to it’s only logical conclusion.

You need software to send button presses to each client window. But you also need software to send button presses even if you’re only using one client window. Therefore, according to you, that means everyone who plays the game is a cheater.

@Phatfarm-shattered-hand

Yea that was 15 years ago. Its time they make this game a mmo rpg with real players again.

So now you’re using “it’s an MMORPG” as a cudgel for any play styles you don’t like.

[Ruggi-turalyon]

Hi Rankin, seems to be multiboxing thread day lol

[Ruggi-turalyon]

@Kneeshooter-amanthul

Blizzard indicated they were removing flight from the game, in order to promote who-knows-what play purposes. The outrage was huge and they changed their minds. You’d probably get a very similar response if they indicated they were removing mboxing.

They certainly would, unless they had a solution for what to do about the characters on players accounts. Brute force getting rid of multiboxing means that all the characters a player has invested time in get removed for (at one time) legitimate play. Now you can dislike mboxing all you want, but you know that them trying to just get rid of players characters will cause a huge storm lol

[Rhythalia-stormrage]

Get in the ring. Ding ding

[Volei-wyrmrest-accord]

@Ruggi-turalyon

I agree, we also need to do something about 120s killing me in Westfall at level 20

Not against TOS though. Blizzard is fine with it. You should be too.

[Phatfarm-shattered-hand]

Which brings us back to what we all know. Blizzard is mainly keeping these multiboxers alive for business purposes. Although if multiboxers were truly that large a part of the community that would mean that blizzards hidden numbers and time played metrics are truly just loads of multiboxing accounts artificially increasing the player count and time played to sell to investors. Which now that you mention it might be something to keep in mind when investing.

@Rankin-shandris

It’s not automation though. Each character is performing a single action in response to a single button press. And if you go AFK, they don’t do anything on their own. The software isn’t creating any new commands. Which is the crucial difference between multiboxing and botting.

They call it the automobile because it automates movement. “But its not automation because if I dont click the gas and all these other things it wont move”. Sorry sir. Its still called an automobile even though you are mostly just broadcasting what you want the machine to do. Add 39 other cars that do the same exact thing that you do as you do it then it certainly is automation of automobiles.

@Rankin-shandris

So you either have a raid group in one area or a multiboxer in one spot. That leaves the vast majority of the zone to be unbalanced.

The game expects raid groups to fight other players. I doubt it accounts for multiboxers thus leaving a greater imbalance with multiboxers.

@Rankin-shandris

It makes absolute sense. You’re the one who has redefined “automation” so broadly that it applies to anyone with a computer. Don’t blame me because I"m taking your argument to it’s only logical conclusion.

Argument distortion is not an argument.

@Rankin-shandris

You need software to send button presses to each client window. But you also need software to send button presses even if you’re only using one client window. Therefore, according to you, that means everyone who plays the game is a cheater.

Again misrepresenting another persons words just show your lack of ability to make your own argument.

@Phatfarm-shattered-hand

n the real world if I could click one button On a machine with a specialized program to pick up 20 bricks, then click again to lay cement on 20 bricks, and then add 20 more bricks on top, all in 3 actions it does not matte if I try to fluff it as “broadcasting”. Its automation.

@Rankin-shandris

So now you’re using “it’s an MMORPG” as a cudgel for any play styles you don’t like.

Should I feel bad about using the games genre of having people as an argument against Automated drones of players? I dont think so. Players make the game great not player drone armies that get their automated actions from one person broadcasting actions across multiple clients to duplicate one keystroke to produce 40 actions.

[Ruggi-turalyon]

Ok then, as long as you are fine with multiboxing

[Volei-wyrmrest-accord]

DIfference is…ganking isn’t cheating.

[Ruggi-turalyon]

Far worse crime, GRIEFING!

[Phatfarm-shattered-hand]

@Volei-wyrmrest-accord

Not against TOS though. Blizzard is fine with it. You should be too.

In a world where people can think for themselves I motivate people to do so. There was a time where Blizzard allowed people to master loot also. It was not against the tos so people did it. Now its impossible due to a change of direction. We need another change of direction and this time towards multiboxing.

[Volei-wyrmrest-accord]

@Phatfarm-shattered-hand

In a world where people can think for themselves I motivate people to do so. There was a time where Blizzard allowed people to master loot also. It was not against the tos so people did it. Now its impossible due to a change of direction. We need another change of direction and this time towards multiboxing.

Oh no my dude. I’m on your side 100%. Multiboxing is cheating and the rules need to be updated.

Edit: I was responding to him saying that griefing and ganking him leveling is an issue but it isn’t against TOS.

[Ruggi-turalyon]

Ganking lowbies is griefing, the rules should be updated!

[Ravenhawk-blackwater-raiders]

@Phatfarm-shattered-hand

They call it the automobile because it automates movement. “But its not automation because if I dont click the gas and all these other things it wont move”. Sorry sir. Its still called an automobile even though you are mostly just broadcasting what you want the machine to do. Add 39 other cars that do the same exact thing that you do as you do it then it certainly is automation of automobiles.

Stretch Armstrong much?

[Phatfarm-shattered-hand]

Ty for clarifying. This is why I try to be respectful with all. I dont always know where things are directed but wish you well. Thanks.

@Ravenhawk-blackwater-raiders

Stretch Armstrong much?

Not even.