Not necessarily, but you need to provide evidence that any major population centers exist in Desolace or in any of the zones. WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE? I have painstakingly gone out of my way to provide evidence for my claims while I have been gaslit saying I am not arguing in good faith. What evidence have you provided? The burden of proof lays SQUARELY on you now.
Show me the evidence. I will gladly look at what you present.
It was sacred to the Kaldorei even as far back as the days of Azshara.
World of Warcraft: Chronicle Volume 1, pg. 95
Your argument is flawed.
Regardless of that act, the mountain is still sacred to all Kaldorei from ten thousand years ago. They are entitled to it. And so it belongs to the Horde just as well it does to the Night Elves.
They didn’t reject anyone, they just ran like cowards by making a bubble and sealing themselves away from the conflict. Kind of like how you exile yourself to elsewhere that is safer.
The sacred land is the sacred land, it doesn’t stop being so because of some arbitary line you headcanoned.
The Highborne, the ruling class of the Kaldorei Empire, actively rejected the spiritual beliefs of the pre-Empire Kaldorei. When Illidan, Tyrande, and Malfurion went out to “find” Cenarius, they treated it like a joke. Not even THEY believed Cenarius existed.
They kind of are having a much more diminished presence on Kalimdor, Theramore is gone, Teldrassil is gone, Azuremyst is just an island with crashed spaceship as a home for the draenei. The only real port after Theramore was in Darkshore but that’s a blighted ruin now, but the alliance couldn’t actually reinforce the night elves for the WoT. Maybe the only real alliance holding seems to be New Feathermoon stronghold, and the night elves are holding a lot Ashenvale only because there is cease fire going on, but the horde is still invading it. On the other hand the horde mostly controls the northern portion of EK though.
Doesn’t matter if you are a religious Kaldorei or secular Kaldorei, all Kaldorei have the right of return regardless if they have not lived in that land for thousands of years.
It’s not an arbitrary line I made up. Why don’t the Naga view Hyjal as sacred, then? Why don’t the Naga or the Shal’dorei have a connection to the Dream?
They cannonically did not receive the blessings of Nordrassil. Your attempts at trolling won’t work here.
The problem with your “evidence” is that you are jumping to conclusions that are not actually supported by the same “evidence” you claim to have. You see an NPC from Val’Sharah and jump to a conclusion that the Night Elves are abandoning that zone. A location isn’t mentioned in a 1 paragraph summary you you jump to the conclusion that it doesn’t exist. It is not an honest argument.
My position, as stated before, is that we should assume that the in-game representation of these old zones is valid until we are told otherwise. We have heard nothing of many of these locations being destroyed or abandoned, so why would we assume that they were?
How do you know they don’t view it as sacred? According to Chronicles the entire mountain was holy to ALL Kaldorei so much so they didn’t build anything on it.
Thats the fact.
And nothing disqualifies from that connection due to not beeing present there for thousands of years, changing bodies, mixing bloodlines, or cultures. They have a claim as strong as current day Night Elves.
What makes you think I am talking about anything else besides World of Warcraft?
That’s not a thing in the Warcraft setting, aside from the fact that they actively chose to reject the way of life which viewed/views Hyjal as sacred. I’m all for Shal’dorei who want to rejoin the Kaldorei society to rejoin them. But that does not mean that the shal’dorei as a whole view Hyjal as sacred.
Where is your evidence that says the shal’dorei still view it that way? Hyjal was described as the home of the gods in pre-Empire Kaldorei society. There were probably lingering SUPERSTITIONS about it which is why people didn’t bother doing anything with it. The same way Tyrande, Illidan, and Malfurion treated Cenarius as an old superstition. They did the equivalent of going to a “haunted house” looking for ghosts that they didn’t believe in.
alright. tell me the state of Gilneas then.
If being told stuff is so dependable.
My evidence is that all Kaldorei viewed it as sacred, and since there has been nothing that states otherwise I am going to take the definitive lore statement over your personal beliefs.
The mountain is sacred holy ground for all Kaldorei as far back as 10k years ago.
So the last time we heard from the Devs, they said that they wanted the return of Gilneas to be shown in-game. This suggests that Gilneas is still abandoned at this point, though the quest text from Calia sets the stage to move it forward.