Here’s where I address scenarios where even a fraction of the population stays in Kalimdor.
I don’t think they were talking about a homeland though and more so a physical place to live since the destruction of Teldrassil/Kalimdor.
(Not to give the impression that everyone living there is a refugee from those places. I also think some Nelves are going there/moving there as a way to cultivate the new world tree/capital city)
The same way in which Draenei still have a concept of their homeland being Draenor/Argus but live in Exodar on Azeroth. Their literal physical homes were destroyed, so they live there instead.
Someone posted a link in here earlier from a Blizz Q&A which gave the impression of Amirdrassil being a home, rather than the home. At least that was the impression I got from it.
But yeah, still very dumb that Blizz didn’t just pin this Worldtree in a better spot lol.
Regardless, as I have demonstrated probably a dozen times now. There are no population centers left. All the ones you pointed to I have shown you the description (or lack thereof) directly from Exploring Kalimdor. So if the refugees all go to Amirdrassil, it means like 99.9% of their population is now in Amirdrassil and anyone not there is a soldier.
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I mean, Exploring Azeroth: Kalimdor was also several years ago in-lore.
We simply just don’t know the state of Kalimdor at this point or what the Nelves have done there during the time skip.
And then I have demonstrated how in-game, every point indicates that they are NOT in Kalimdor anymore. Nothing is shown that they are in Kalimdor. Now it’s YOUR headcanon that “well, some of them went back” when not even the novels show this.
It’s headcanon to assume either.
If only some members of the Horde like… the shaldorei for example of being in diaspora from their holy land of Hyjal then that would make it okay for the Horde to occupy all of Norhtern Kalimdor and force the Night Elves out into Amirdrassil.
OK, bucko. I have shown in-game evidence that NPCs from all over have come to settle under Amirdrassil and demonstrated how the language seems to suggest this is to be the primary home for the Kaldorei.
The Shal’dorei never participated in anything that happened in Hyjal, but OK. They sealed themselves off from the rest of the Kaldorei DURING the War of the Ancients. They intentionally abandoned their people, despite their prowess in the arcane.
Well no, you are using a vague interpretation of a short summary to push your pre-existing head canon. You are making an assumption that if a location isn’t mentioned that it must not exist anymore (when apparently even entire zones are omitted). Whereas I would argue that unless we explicitly learn of a settlements destruction we should assume it is still there.
I actually did not realize that Astranaar was so explicitly in a good place. It was the largest outpost in Ashenvale, despite your attempt to diminish it.
Alright?
But it’s still assumption to assume that the Nelves haven’t done anything on Kalimdor simply because Nelves from other places are moving to Amirdrassil.
It’s still a world tree, and a supposed new capital city.
That’s bound to draw interest from Nelves originating from all over.
Doesn’t mean they’ve entirely abandoned Kalimdor.
We simply just don’t know the state of Kalimdor at this point.
Regardless the mountain is sacred to all Kaldorei and the Shaldorei were and are Kaldorei.
Just because they did not set foot in that land for ten thousand years doesn’t mean they are not entitled to it.
Surely you are not claiming the people that lived on that land for 10 thousand years have more claim to it than the ones that didn’t… hm…
No, you are making stuff up now. Astranaar is described as small. Even if it’s the largest settlement in Ashenvale, it’s still small. A large shrimp is still a small animal.
YOU mentioned that Stonetalon, Desolace, Feralas, Ashenvale, etc are where the Night Elf population is. I provided evidence against that. The burden of proof is on you now.
Primary home, probably. Abandoning Kalimdor, no. That is the main point that I am arguing against. We all know that Amirdrassil is the new hub. But the Alliance isn’t just giving Kalimdor to the horde
if they did, how would that look like ingame?
Or is some offhand comment enough?
So the book not mentioning a zone is “evidence” that they don’t exist? That is a logical fallacy. We have no update on what happened with these aside from how we left them.
Do you have an example of a settlement in Ashenvale larger than Astranaar?
It’s not sacred to all Kaldorei. It’s sacred to the Kaldorei who reformed their society from Mt. Hyjal and received the blessings of the Aspects through Nordrassil. The Shal’dorei were not part of that. The Shal’dorei were part of the ruling class that actively REJECTED the former spiritual ways of life of the pre-Empire Kaldorei. They REJECTED their fellow Kaldorei in the resistance and looked after themselves. They did NOT receive the blessings of the Aspects because they were not part of the Kaldorei who reformed their society around Nordrassil. Everything about the shal’dorei’s history is antithetical to viewing Hyjal as a sacred place. They have no more claim to Hyjal than the Naga do.
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Well you’ve made a good point that in-game representation is often expansion focused. Which I’m guessing is why Amirdrassil is in the Dragon Isles and not floating across from a Cataclysm zone.
You’re not even reading what I said. ASTRANAAR IS THE BIGGEST SETTLEMENT IN ASHENVALE, YES.
But it is still described as small. The biggest being small just means that everything else is even smaller.
What you’re missing is that the status-quo has been restored in Ashenvale. Maybe that doesn’t impress you, but I would point out that Teldrassil didn’t even exist until after WCIII so trying to diminish Ashenvale as a location is a little sketchy.