What I am saying is that the in-game representation, for most of these zones, is more reliable than someone’s made up story that they’re trying to pass off as canon.
Because this entire conversation you and Carhagen have been citing novels and interviews and gaslighting me for saying the in-game evidence is showing most are going to Amirdrassil.
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your bible = magic book
Well no, your “evidence” was speculative and based on assumption. It was also directly contradicted by the interview. Not the same.
Hold on, I’m buying a digital version of Exploring Kalimdor right now.
Feathermoon Stronghold and Dire Maul are not the same place.
He’s asking what you consider to be the main population center in Feralas. The only other major holding is… Feathermoon Stronghold.
Yes, obviously. Nothing in my post said they were lmao. Feathermoon STRONGHOLD is a STRONGHOLD.
Let me know what you think of it, but the general consensus when it came out was that it re-inforced the status quo for most zones.
So? Aren’t the Night Elves a militaristic society? The in-game proportions are quite large
We don’t know if there have been any efforts to rebuild on Kalimdor.
Our last look was in Exploring Azeroth: Kalimdor, and it’s been a couple of in-lore years since then.
We know from that book they recaptured their former holdings, though.
So they do have at least some presence, military or otherwise.
Not gonna argue this.
It’s dumb that Amirdrassil is on the Dragon Isles.
They only did that because the Dragon Isles is this expansion’s main landmass lol.
I just don’t agree that they’ve all abandoned Kalimdor just because they’ve gotten a new capital/city on the Dragon Isles.
But we’ve got no real technical indication either way, all we really have is assumption to work off of when it comes to the Kaldorei’s state on Kalimdor.
Yeah but they’re not shown to be all military. They don’t go calling every settlement a Stronghold, there’s a clear difference imo.
Nevermind the absurdity of this ENTIRE DISCUSSION being that some people are downplaying the actual massive shift in your “homeland” and “capital” now being halfway across the world. If not “absolutely 100% no kaldorei exists there” physical abandonment, which I highly doubt was the argument because thats not how blizzard designs things, it shows the cultural focus and idea of home has somehow completely and utterly left the area to the point of giving it 0 consideration as a home. That is massive. That is showing the destruction of the actual racial fantasy.
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When you say like “desolace”, what night elf population are you referring to? The alliance military outpost with a flight master and an inn that has 3 night elves and mostly human soldiers? Or are you talking about something like Karnum’s Glade that is a neutral CC hub lead by a tauren?
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Just kinda how it is whenever Blizz focuses on a particular race.
They change things, drop things, forget a lot of things.
And a lot of people’s ideals for that race get squashed in the process.
They never really cared about writing any kind of compelling or realistic cultural/racial fantasy that goes beyond base aesthetics, lets be real.
It seems pretty in-line with how many settlements work in Azeroth. Humans have a lot of militaristic settlements like that too. This is the world of WARcraft, after all.
I don’t have an issue with you disliking the location of Amirdrassil. What I am objecting to is this notion that the Night Elves are going to disappear from Kalimdor, which goes against what we currently know about the situation.
Every year there is a new doomer headcanon that Night Elf fans push, this is just the new flavor of it. When it becomes increasingly clear that there is still activity on Kalimdor, I’m sure there will be some new conspiracy to complain about.
Yeah, absolutely. I don’t think the fact that 9/10 times they do this for everyone makes it something to just accept. They should be better n not do this to any race in the setting. WoD was dumb to Orcs and it blows. I’d bet $10 (and happily give it up if wrong) that TWW is gonna screw up dwarves given it’s already making Magni look like an idiot now lmao.
I am pretty sure even the OP hasn’t said abandonment insofar as 100% of NEs leave. But if you’re denying how massively obvious the destruction of a ‘guardians of Kalimdor’ culture is to no longer consider Kalimdor their homeland and have their capital on the opposite end of the world, i think that’s silly.
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I agree, but I also don’t think Blizzard really cares all too much.
The story and ideas for what makes up these races is nearly purely aesthetic. The most they really actually want out of these races is basic aesthetic and narrative flexibility. There’s really no ideal standard to meet because Blizzard never had a standard to begin with, and they clearly have no drive to change that.
Is what it is. Simply a feature of how Warcraft is.
Sucks, but whatever.
Definitely silly.
But I think this argument stems from a base misunderstanding that Amirdrassil is now the Nelf’s “homeland” instead of just a home for which they can now live out of.
Everyone. Repeatedly, in the patch that came out far more recently than any of these interviews (and could’ve been editted based off what was said, but wasn’t) says they don’t have another home, this is the homeland of their entire people, and is also going to have a capital. That is not saying everyone moves, people don’t ONLY live where there people are, but their people as an identity have a homeland.
If they just said a possible home, I would think it’s cringe, but not care. That’s not what they said.
Winterspring mentions absolutely 0 Night Elf population so whoever is there must not be significant enough.
Astranaar is a bit vague. It sounds like it’s a military outpost now. Either way, “A small lake with an even smaller village” doesn’t sound like a population metropolis.
A military watchtower, nothing more.
Stonetalon is described twice. Here, and above with Stardust Spire. The Horde seems to be in complete control of Stonetalon.
Feralas is described as “once the heart of Night Elf power” and explicitly goes out of its way to say Feathermoon Stronghold was ruined in the Cataclysm.
Dream Bough is a DRUID holding, not a Night Elf holding.
The only traces of the Highborne are their wailing ghosts
And that’s it. It doesn’t even mention Desolace.
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OP was quite clearly arguing that the Elves were completely abandoning Kalimdor. If that is no longer the case we can move on.
My personal opinion is that this isn’t the direction that I would have taken the story, as I like the zones. I do think a lot of Night Elf fans have special snowflake syndrome acting like they’re the first group of people to be displaced in this world.
If you are referring to the German interview, it came out on October 16th, when the patch was already developed but still in testing.
No I wasn’t because MULTIPLE TIMES I said that even if MOST go to Amirdrassil, it is still a problem.